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The saw I used was a carpenter's cut off, number eleven, filed very sharp, with plenty of 

 I level without set, and is well oiled before operating on each animal. 



In cutting the operator should always remove a quarter of an inch or more of the hair and 

 skin with the born If any of the outer shell of the horn is left it will grow and form an 

 unsightly stub. This is more likely to happen with young cattle than old ones. 

 The most desirable season to dehorn is October and November. 



The time required for securing the animal and removing the horns, with the appliances above 

 mentioned, should not occupy more than one or two minutes, while the actual cutting should 

 not require more than ten to twenty seconds to remove both horns, by a skilful operator. 



There can be no excuse for the work being done in a bungling or unskilful manner, the 

 appliances being inexpensive and easily obtained. 



Mr. Glkmunnim;. — Now, have you seen any bad results from the operation? A. No, 

 there have been no bad results, with the exception of two cases where there was a discharge of 

 pus. 



Q. What is your view with regard to the discharge of matter from the wound after the 

 operation '. A. In about 10 per cent, there is a discharge, but it is perfectly odorless and is 

 not pus. It is what I would call a mucous discharge. It is like a colorless jelly. In the two 

 cases I mentioned there was a discharge of pus, and it did not require much ability to tell that 

 it was pus ; the discharge had an offensive odor. Both Dr. Brady and Dr. O'Neil made a close 

 investigation. They had more experience in dehorning than most vets, and they both gave the 

 opinion that it was not pus but a mucous discharge. 



Mr. Kelso. — After the operation have you known many cattle to bellow or make a noise ? 

 A. Only about half a dozen. 



Mr. Gibson. — Are the cattle that were dehorned before the Commission doing well ? A. 

 Yes, they are healing nicely. I saw the bull this morning and he was all right. 



Mr. Kelso. — Is there not a danger after the operation of the animal striking its head 

 against the sides of the stanchion thus causing pain and perhaps a second hemorrhage \ A. They 

 generally know their heads are tender and go carefully. There is not so much danger. Of 

 course where the chains are used this danger would be done away with. 



Q. Would you recommend that regulations should be adopted only allowing the operation 

 to be performed at a certain season ? A. Well, I would not like to see the operation performed 

 in summer. 



Q. Have you had any experience in disbudding ? A. I would rather dehorn two old cows 

 than operate upon a calf with the gouge. I have not tried the caustic fluid. 



Q. What would you say as to licensing or appointing certain men to perform the operation ? 

 A. Well, I would hardly recommend that. It is just like castration — the owners themselves 

 will take care that it is properly done. I think, of course, that a man should be compelled to 

 have the proper appliances. 



Q. Would you say that the practice ought simply to be allowed and no restrictions placed 

 upon it ? A. Well, that is hard to say. I would not like to see it clone unskilfully. 



Mr. Glexdinxing. — You think the matter will regulate itself the same as castration ? A. 

 Yes, I think that if the government decided that the operation must .be performed skilfully 

 by proper parties and with proper instruments, that would be sufficient. I think that any man 

 of kindly feeling and good nerve could do this work without difficulty. 



Levi Fletcher, farmer, Lambeth, Middlesex county, sworn, said : I keep six or seven head 

 of cattle. I have not practised dehorning, but I have seen it done. I think for men like Mr. 

 York, who are making their money out of cows, dehorning is an advantage in the feeding and 

 caring for them. 



Q. You have heard Mr. Elliott's evidence, do you agree with him ? A. Yes. 



Q. Do you regard it as a humane operation I A. Yes, it prevents cattle doing harm to each 

 other. Have seen a good deal of injury done by hooking. I was opposed to the practice at 

 first, as I thought it a cruel thing, but when I saw the operation I could not see that there were 

 signs of severe suffering. 



John A. Dicey, farmer, White Oak, Middlesex county, sworn, said : I keep 15 head of 

 cattle. I have not performed the operation but I have seen it performed. My impression is 

 that it improves the herd. 



0. Do you agree generally with the evidence of Mr. Elliott and the last witness ? A. Yes, 

 I think dehorning is better for the herds, and that the operation is a humane one. You cannot 

 let horses out among cattle that have their horns on. The practice has been carried on in our 

 neighborhood. At first they were afraid of the law but the cattle were so much better without 

 horns they decided to risk the consequences of taking them off. I don't think the suffering is 

 so great in dehorning as when the animals knock their horns off, or hurt themselves in fighting. 



