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Mr. GLEKDINNINO. —Suppose there was a rake along the brisket, what would be the loss from 

 that .' A. If the animal were slaughtered and sold, it would knock half a cent a pound off. 



William Booth, Toronto, sworn, said : I am a wholesale butcher and handle from thirty- 

 five to forty-five head of cattle per week. I have been in the business about twenty -five years 

 and have had to do with thousands of cattle. I agree with what Mr. Mallon says. I have seen 

 cattle hooked so badly that they were not worth anything. 



< ( >. What is your estimate of the number injured from hooking ? A. I hardly think there 

 would 1' ten percent, injured. There might be some marked that would not be from hooks. 

 Sometimes cattle are injured in the car or in the yards not from horns at all. 



ij. Are you in favor of the practice of dehorning I A. Yes, I think it would be a good 

 thing. I have not seen the operation, but I have seen cattle that were dehorned. To dehorn 

 would do away with a good deal of loss and would save considerable suffering. 



Sylvester Halligan, Toronto, sworn, said : I have been engaged in the cattle trade for 

 the past ten or twelve years, and last year myself and partner bought 19,000 head. I have 

 sometimes sold cattle for local consumption where the butchers would come back and want a 

 reduction on account of damage done by the horns. In a load, two or three will often be sold 

 at reduced rates, perhaps $6 or $8 less. 



Q. Would you say that ten per cent, were more or less injured ? A. Yes, occasionally, not 



always. 



Q. All things considered would you be in favor of dehorning for the beefing trade I A. 

 Yes, from my experience I would be strongly in favor of dehorning. 



Q. Is there much suffering caused in the market through hooking ? A. Yes, a good deal ; 

 it seems to be a rule that if there are two or three in a load that are cowardly, the others will 

 all take a rap at them. You can often see one trying to get into a corner with the others 

 Tifcfir it 



Q. Would it be practicable to tie up the cattle ? A. That is only done in the London, Eng- 

 land, market I think. When I was over there with some cattle, 1 saw some dehorned stock that 

 came from Norfolk. They were lying down like sheep. Whether it was from losing their horns 

 young or not I don't know, but they seemed very quiet. We were trying to separate ours to 

 keep!hem from goring, and it was pretty hard to see good money going fast while the others 

 were lying quiet and contented. 



Q. Did the dehorned cattle sell for more money? A. 1 did not have any experience of 

 that, but I was told the others would be worth more as they would be free from bruises. 



Q. Even assuming that there is a good deal of suffering in the operation, looking at the 

 commercial view of it and the pain indicted upon one animal by another would you think de- 

 horning would be a desirable thing ! A. Yes, I think it would be a humane thing. The ani- 

 mals suffer more from each other than they would from the operation. 



John TTallam, Toronto, sworn, said : I have been an alderman in this city for twenty 

 years. I was interested in the cattle trade once to the extent that I advanced money to buyers. 

 I have also gone over the Atlantic with loads of cattle. 



Q. You heard the last witness speak of the damage from horns— do you agree with him ? 

 A. I think I would in the main, but all drovers will talk that way, because horns are a direct 

 detriment to them in some way or other. Anything they could make more money out of they 

 would favor, even if it were cutting the legs off the cattle. 



Q. Would you agree as to the inconveniences and loss suffered by the trade through horns? 

 A. I think there is a°certain amount of loss, but I believe that the suffering to the beast would 

 be greater through cutting off the horns. I think horns were given for a purpose or they would 

 not be on the cattle. 



Q. If you have not seen the operation performed, why do you think it would be an exceed- 

 ingly painful thing. A. Well, if I were to cut off my finger it would be painful, and I know 

 there is great suffering when a horn is knocked off. ... . 



Q. Now, if you saw the operation and did not notice much outward indication of suffering, 

 would that shake your opinion as to the amount of pain ? A. Well, 1 am not sure. Of course 

 if it proceeded to eat and drink and enjoy itself I would conclude that it was not suffering a 



Q You are known all over the country as one of the leading dealers in hides ? A. Yes. I 

 have been thirty-two years engaged in that line. 



Q Have you had occasion to notice the damage to hides from horns ? A. 1 es. 



Q Would that represent a loss from a commercial standpoint '! A. Yes. 



Q To what extent ( A. If a hide were sixty pounds and there were two or three bad 

 scores it would mean a loss of perhaps fifty cents, or one cent a pound. A hide of sixty pounds 



