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be a justification. Horns were put there and I consider they ought to be allowed to stay. You 

 can see the marrow exposed when the horn is broken showing that it is very painful. 



Q. If it were shown that the cows came back to their usual flow of milk after the first day, 

 what would you say '. A. I don't think they would come back so soon, and even so, it would 

 show that they suffered that day. 



Thomas Hogg, township of North Oxford, sworn, said : I am engaged in farming and 

 keep from 30 to 40 head of cattle altogether. 



Mr. Dkuky — Do you consider that dehorning is a practice attended with beneficial results 

 to the owner ! A. Well, 1 have had one or two animals where I think it would be a good thing, 

 luit as a rule I don't think it is proper. I tipped the horns of one or two animals but it didn't 

 prevent them from hooking — it only prevented them from making a deep gore. 



Q. You have not dehorned any cattle ? A. No ; I would not do it even if it were lawful. 



Q. If it were a comparatively painless operation would j t ou do it ? A. Yes ; I might do it 

 then. 



Q. You would prefer the cattle without horns ? A. Yes ; I can't see that they serve any 

 purpose. I am opposed to dehorning except in the case of vicious animals. I have not per- 

 formed the operation nor seen it performed. I have cut the horn right up to the quick, drawing 

 blood a little. That does not stop them from fighting, but they can't inflict so much pain upon 

 each other. 



Q. If you saw the operation and did not notice the same indications of suffering as in the 

 case of a broken horn, would it change your views somewdiat ? A. Yes, I think it would. 



Q . Then if the pain was not excessive and the gain was important, do you think that the 

 financial side should be taken into consideration ? A. Yes; I think it should be. 



To Mr. Hutchinson — I would be satisfied to allow the law to remain as at present. 



William W. Sutherland, township of East Nissouri, Oxford county, sworn, said : I 

 am engaged in farming and raise cattle. I am in favor of dehorning vicious animals. I think 

 it ought to be left an open question with farmers whether they should dehorn their cattle or not. 



Q. Would you say that the amount of suffering caused by the horns might be as great as in 

 the operation of taking them off ? A. Yes ; I think there is more pain from one animal goring 

 another than there would be in dehorning. I have not seen the operation but I don't think it 

 would be as painful as castrating. 



Q. Have you ever made a study of the horn ? A. Yes, a little. The best place to take it 

 off is at the root, because there is only one nerve there which branches out higher up. We 

 have nothing to prove clearly the amount of suffering involved, but from what I have heard I 

 don't think the acute pain lasts more than a few seconds. It is much more painful to have 

 horns knocked off, because a large surface of sensitive nerve is exposed. 



Edwin Casswell, Ingersoll, being sworn said : I have been president and vice-president 

 of the Western Dairymen's Association, and am engaged in the cheese business. I was a dairy 

 farmer in the county of Oxford for five years, and kept from 20 to 30 head of cattle. I have 

 not seen any necessity for dehorning and I have had no serious injury to stock from horns 



Q. Do you consider that dehorning is justifiable '? A. From my standpoint I would say no. 

 Of course I have heard a great deal about it from such men as Messrs. Hopkins, Brown, Facey 

 and York, and I can't understand how they can feel as they do about this matter. They are 

 men whose views are worth considering, but in this case they are acting entirely in opposition 

 to my judgment. I have never seen a dehorned animal and I hope I never shall. 



Q. They say dehorning secures greater quiet in a herd, if that were true would you expect 

 good results to follow ? A. If my cattle were unruly, and by dehorning they were made ruly, 

 that might be an advantage, but my cattle were not unruly. I could take you to two men, one 

 of them when he goes into his yard the cattle all come to him. and the other, they get away as 

 far as they can from him. You can get quietness among cattle by always treating them kindly. 

 Men like Lewis, who come to our conventions, say that kindness is 25 per cent, of the product 

 of the cow. 



Q. Take the case where 16 steers were turned into an open shed and fed loose at a trough, 

 and they treated each other like sheep— if it created that change would you say it was desirable ? 

 A. Yes, it would be a benefit to have cattle quieter. 



Q. You have never had unruly cattle ? A. Yes, there is always the boss cow. I have seen 

 cases where she would stand and keep the others from the drinking trough, but after awhile she 

 gets tired and goes away. 



Q. Do you think that no monetary consideration should enter into this question ? A. I do 

 in the case of dairy cattle. My opinion is that it is an unkind and cruel practice, but 1 would 



