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sh ; second, by the hurt caused to the codfish by the oft'als, which 

 being swallowed by the cod, the boues swallowed destroy them. 



8. The American mackerelers using seines, fished in the Bay of 

 Gaspe, inside of Sandy Beach and Peninsula, hauling their seines on 

 shore. 



9. The privilege of fishing in American waters is of no value to us ; 

 our fishermen will never go there. 



10. The American free market for our fish is of no value to us; we 

 make a superior dry codfish to them, and we ship to Brazil and Eu- 

 ropean markets. I have been in business for 34 years, and have never 

 shipped any fish to the United States. And we do not know of any 

 other merchant ever having done so. 



11. It is our interest to keep our fisheries to ourselves, and not to al- 

 low foreign fishermen to come into our inshore fisheries. 



12. The competition of the Americans is very hurtful to our own fish- 

 ermen, especially as regards the mackerel and halibut for this coast. 



13. American fishermen committed many depredations, and they used 

 to land and sell many articles without paying the duty. 



I hereby swear that the above statement is, to the best of my knowl- 

 edge and belief, correct. 



WM. HYMAN. 



The said William Hyman has sworn to the truth of the above deposi- 

 tion, at Grande Greve, in the county of Gaspe, and Province of (Que- 

 bec, this 4th day of August, A. D. 1877, before me. 



P. FORT IN, J. P. 



So. 182. 



In the matter of the Fisheries Commission at Halifax, under the Treaty 



of Washington. 



I, ABRAHAM GAVEY, of Grande Greve, of the county of Gasp6, of the 

 Province of Quebec, make oath and say as follows : 



1. I am 35 years of age; I am a practical fisherman, and have l>een 

 engaged in carrying on the fishery for the last 20 years ; I am well ac- 

 quainted with the fisheries carried on in this bay and the neighborhood. 



was born here. 



2. The fisheries here are cod, halibut, mackerel, and herring. 



3. I have seen a large number of United States vessels fishing in this 

 y every year for mackerel and cod ever since I can remember, but 



they were much more numerous during the existence of tiie Reciprocity 

 Treaty. I should think that there were, during that treaty, at least from 

 one to two hundred American vessels fishing in this bay every year. 

 They were, on an average, from 60 to 100 tons each, manned by from 

 15 to 20 men ; a good many of these vessels, as they themselves have 

 told me, made two voyages. I have seen myself, at one time, as many 

 as 50 American fishing-vessels anchored from Grande Greve to Little 

 Gaspe, a distance of one mile. The average catch of each vessel, as 

 near as I can reckon, Mas about 500 barrels; ami the mackerel they 

 took was, especially at the latter end of the season, of the very first 

 quality. That mackerel was taken by hook and seine; the seining wiis 

 done in the harbor, inside of Sandy "Beach, and also in the bay with 

 purse seines. 



4. During the first years of the Treaty of \Vashington the number 

 American schooners mackerel-fishing in this bay and the vicinity was 



