1910 AWARD OF THE FISHERY COMMISSION. 



Q. I suppose that was pretty much all the time yon fished ; you were 

 actually a mile from the shore aud the distance looked like three miles f 

 A. If that is your opinion I am perfectly willing. I tell you facts; you 

 can draw what inference you please. I have stated just exactly, to the 

 best of my judgment, what I did in Bay St. Lawrence, and I tell you 

 just the same and nothing else. 



Q. I understood you to say that on many occasions you fished within 

 one mile of the shore when it looked three miles off? A. I told you I 

 could not judge the distance. 1 did not refer particularly to fishermen. 

 When I have been making land sometimes I have found myself close 

 inshore and had to tack out. 



Q. Did you not tell me you were frequently within one mile of the 

 shore when you believed you were three miles out! A. Yes; but I did 

 not refer particularly to fishing. 



Q. Did you fish during those times when you thought you were three 

 miles oft shore and it turned out you were only one mile! A. No. If I 

 thought I was inside the three miles I would not fish there. 



Q. Then I understand that no consideration would have induced 

 you, when in the gulf, to have fished within three miles of the shore ! 

 A. I don't intend to convey any such idea. I would fish wherever I 

 could find them, if no cutters were there. 



Q. If the fish were within the three-mile limit you would follow them ! 

 A. I would if there was no cutter there to take me. 



Q. Did you do that? A. I fished offshore and did not pretend to go 

 inshore because I did not do better there. While I perhaps one month 

 might have done better inside, take the months through and I did bet- 

 ter outside. 



Q. Did you or did you not fish inside the three miles before the end 

 of the eight years ? A. I fished inside three miles because I stated that 

 I caught one-eighth of the mackerel inside the three-mile limit. 



Q. Do you swear that you did not catch more than one-eighth within 

 the three mile limit? A. I swear that, to the best of my judgment, I did 

 not catch more than one-eighth within the three mile limit. 



Q. Then, in point of fact, you swear positively that the inshore fish- 

 eries of the gulf are not nearly so valuable as those away out? A. 

 They were not when I fished there. 



Q. How long did you fish there? A. Fifteen years. 



Q. Ending eight years ago? A. Nine years this summer. 



Q. That would be from 1854 to 1869 ? A. I don't remember dates. 



Q. You stated that you fished there fifteen years, ending eight years 

 ago? A. Yes. 



Q. Then you fished during the whole of the time of the Reciprocity 

 Treaty, which commenced in 1854? A. Yes, I fished under that treaty 

 on a Ncense. 



Q. During the time the treaty was in force did you not fish inshore 

 as a rule ? A. Inshore when I thought I could catch more fish there. 



Q. Did you catch more fish inshore than out? A. No, I did not catch 

 aii.v more inshore than outside. 



Q. Then, as I understand, you did not fish inshore ? A. No, because 

 I did better out. 



Q. How did you take your fish ? A. With hooks. 



Q. Not with purse seines? A. We had a seine but we never did 

 much with it. 



Q. You caught them altogether with hooks? A. Yes. 



Q. What bait did you use ? A. Fogies and clams. 



Q. Where did you get them ? A. We got them from home ; some I 



