1920 AWARD OF THE FISHERY COMMISSION. 



Q. How many were so taken ! A. I have canght 50 barrels off Cape 

 May within bait' a mile of the land. 



Q. When ! A. Well, the year before last. 



Q. Was tbat the only time you did so! A. I cannot say that I recol- 

 lect of more than that one instance. 



Q. How many barrels did you catch that season ! A. 1.000. 



Q. And out of these 1,000 barrels you caught 950 barrels from 10 to 

 50 miles off' shore! A. I did not say that. I say that they were taken 

 where the net would not touch bottom. Some vessels carry a fathom 

 net 



Q. Will you swear now that of these 1,000 barrels, one single barrel was 

 taken within three miles of the shore ? A. I could not swear that I 

 did. I do not know that I did, save in the one instance I have men- 

 tioned. 



Q. Will you now undertake to say that the local fishery on the Amer- 

 ican coast was exceptionally good during the last 6 or 7 years ! A. 

 I do not know that it has been extraordinarily good ; but last season 

 there was a large catch. 



Q. Up to last season it was in an ordinary condition, as far as you are 

 aware ! A. Last season the catch on our coasts was very large. 



Q. And this year none have been canght there ! A. This year there 

 has been a small catch so far ; but I cannot state what may yet be the 

 case. A long time must elapse before the fishing winds up. 



Q. Do you know how many barrels have been taken from 10 to 50 

 miles off your coast and up to the coast! A. No. 1 could not tell you 

 anything about it. 



Q. Can you give any approximate to the number ! A. No. I could 

 not come anywheres near it. 



Q. Have you read the reports of this year's catch ! : A. No. 



Q. Do you read the papers at all ! A. I think I do when I get them, 

 but I have not had many of them since I have been down here. Down 

 in this country we do not get any papers. 



Q. You have stated in answer to Mr. Trescot that so far from trans- 

 shipment of cargoes on our shores being a privilege it is a delusion and 

 a snare, and that you lost money by it ! A. That was my experience. 



Q. Do you put that statement forward as the experience of your 

 brother fishermen ? A. Every man from our place will say the same 

 thing. 



Q. Do I understand you to say that it is the general experience of the 

 American fishermen, so far as you are aware ! A. I say that it is the 

 case with those who go from Newburyport, but I would not speak for 

 places farther away. I do not know much about other ports. Glouces- 

 ter is a large place, but I know very little about it. 



Q. Do you know whether the Gloucester people avail themselves of 

 this privilege of transshipment! A. I know that they ship very few 

 mackerel, and not nearly so many so they used to do. 



Q. When did they used to transship ! A. They did so at the same 

 time I did. 



Q. When did you do so! A. 10, 12, or 15 years ago. 



Q. Was this during the Reciprocity Treaty or afterward ! A. It was 

 both at that time and after the treaty was terminated, when we had 

 licenses. 



Q. Did you ever transship after the Reciprocity Treaty expired, and 

 when you had no licenses ! A. I do not think that we could ship with- 

 out licenses. 



Q. Did you ever do so after the expiration of the Reciprocity Treaty 



