AWARD OP THE FISHERY COMMISSION. 1921 



aud when you bad no licenses ? A. I think 1 always had license*, but 

 I would not be positive about it. 



Q. Will you sweat* that you never evaded the license system ? A. I 

 would not so swear, but I might possibly have done it. I* am sure that 

 I had a license every year. 



Q. Do you mean that you had licenses but did not pay for them ! A. 

 No; of course if I had them I paid for them. You don't generally give 

 away much down in this country. <qg 



Q. Do I understand you to say that every year after the Keriprority 

 Treaty you fished in the bay, until the negotiation of the Washington 

 Treaty, you had a license? A. f say there might possibly be one year 

 when 1 did not have one, but I think that I had one every year. 



Q. Do I understand you to say you think you had a license every year ! 

 A. I think I had ; but possibly I did not once during one year. 



Q, Aud during that year, when you may not have had a license, did 

 you go into the bay and run the risk of seizure ? A. Yes. 



Q. Aud if the bay fishery was no good, why did you go there and run 

 the risk of capture ? A. 1 do not think 1 was so foolish as that; but I 

 might possibly have done so. 



Q. Still you are not prepared to say that you did not do so? A. I am 

 not. My memory is not very good on that point; but I do not know I 

 might possibly have done so. I think 1 had a license every year that 

 they granted them. 



Q. Did you not speak about evading the cutters? A. Of course. 

 We did not go inshore when we saw the cutters. 



Q. Why ? A. If we saw a cutter ready to take us we would not go 

 in. 



Q. During what year was that ? A. It was any year and at any 

 time. If I saw a man at any time going to take me I Would keep away. 



Q. Then, during the Reciprocity Treaty, if yon saw a cutter you would 

 not go inshore? A. During the treaty, of course we did not rare for 

 the cutters. 



Q. When did you evade them ? A. We were afraid when the\ were 

 there to take us,' whether it was within three or five miles of the shore. 



Q. During what year were you so afraid f A. I do not know. It was 

 after the Reciprocity Treaty when we were most afraid of them. 



Q. Was that in 1869? A. Yes, about nine years ago. 



Q. You did try to evade the cutters that year ?- -A. Yes; but 1 did 

 not then go inside. I never hove to that year when 1 thought 1 

 inside the limit. 



Q. And eventually you went out of the bay on this account ! 

 was because I was in dread of the cutters, and not because I 

 inside of the limit. 



Q. Why were you in dread of the cutters if you had a lifeline? 

 They would not then give licenses. 



Q. In 1869? A. No. 



Q. Do you swear that no licenses were issued then I- 

 when I left the bay the last year I was there they would not gn 

 grant anybody licenses. 



Q. And this was in I860? A. It was in 1869 or 1 

 left the bay, whichever it was. 



Q. And you state that this was in 1869 f A. I think that i 

 yen's ago. No licenses were then issued, anyway. 



Q. Then you went into the bay with full knowledge that : 

 not get a license ? A. Y'es. 

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