A. WARD OF THE FISHERY COMMISSION. 1953 



Q. Can you give the population of Toronto or Ottawa? A. No; I 

 iiever was in th#se parts. 



Q. Will you tell ine why it was, in answer to Mr. Foster, that you 

 undertook, on your oath, to say the catch of lish ia so great on your 

 shores that if excluded from the American market there would be no 

 market for them in the Dominion, when you did not know the |>opitl*. 

 tion of the Dominion cities ? A. We have tried to sell our fish in the 

 Dominion ; we sent some up to Canada to Quebec; some did not pav 

 for the freight. The fish were smoked herring. We have tried to noil 

 them in the Dominion, but found they failed to fetch as much in our 

 markets as in the American markets. If they could not be sold to pay 

 us, they would not pay people to buy them from us at high prices. 



Q. When was this notable year when you sent some smoked herring 

 to Quebec ? A. Some years ago. 



Q. Cannot you give the year ? A. I sent the fish by Mr. Wilson, of 

 Campobello. I suppose it was 15 or 1C years ago. 



Q. Can you state whether, at that time, there was not a duty leyie*! 

 ill Quebec against New Brunswick fish, for that was before confedera- 

 tion ? A. 1 don't know, and cannot say as to the duties. They were 

 No. 1 herring, and did not pay expenses. 



Q. When you said you sent them by Mr. Wilson, did you mean the 

 late John Wilson, esq. ? A. I meant Mr. Edward Wilson, who wa 

 drowned. 



Q. Was he an island man ? A. He was a Campobello man. 



Q. That is the only venture you made in sending fish into Canada. 

 You sent smoked herring, some so small you could not string them ?- 

 A. The herring I sent there were not small. The herring put in boxe.* 

 must be big enough to string and cure. 



Q. Were they not so small you could barely string them f A. The 

 lierring were large enough to string and cure. What I before said was 

 that manj 7 herring came into the weirs which are too small to go on 

 the rods. 



Q. That shipment was made 15 years ago, and you have never tried 

 the experiment since confederation ? A. Not myself personally. 



Q. And yet, notwithstanding that you made only one experiment in 

 sending fish to Canada, and that 15 years ago, before confederation, you 

 testified, in answer to Mr. Foster, that you could not find a market in 

 the Dominion if you were shut out of the American market ? A. When 

 we sell herring at St. John we do not sell them to so good an advantage. 



Q. When have you sent herring to St. John ? A. I have not sent 

 any personally. 



Q. Who did? A. The people of Grand Manan take some up. 



Q. Tell me a single man who has done it. A. Mr. Morse, of White- 

 head Island. He took up one or two lots of herring during the past 

 winter. 



Q. What kind of herring ? A. Smoked No. 1 herring. 



Q. You were asked by Mr. Foster how, if the American market 

 closed, you would go on, and so forth. Do you know anything a!n 

 what fish can go into the United States free under the Waahingto 

 Treaty f Did you ever hear of the Treaty of Washington at all 

 No ; I don't know I ever did. 



Q. Did you ever hear of the Reciprocity Treaty ? 

 of it, 



Q. Did you ever hear of the Treaty of Washington .'- 

 you spoke of, I suppose. 



Q. Before I spoke of it, did you ever hear of the Treaty 



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