1954 AWARD OF THE FISHERY COMMISSION. 



ton or know what it meant? A. I suppose the treaty would be the 

 Reciprocity Treaty. 



Q. Do you suppose tbat would be the old Reciprocity Treaty you 

 spoke of? A. Yes. 



Q. You heard many years ago of the Reciprocity Treaty ? A. I have 

 heard of it. 



Q. Do I understand you to say that is the treaty which you suppose 

 is the Treaty of Washington ? A. Not at present. 



Q. Do you say the Reciprocity Treaty and the Washington Treaty 

 are the same, or are they different? A. The Washington Treaty is 

 what we are now under. 



Q. Do you believe or understand that the Reciprocity Treaty was a 

 different treaty from the Treaty of Washington, or the same treaty ! A. 

 The Reciprocity Treaty I suppose to be different from our free trade. 



Q. Do you understand that the Reciprocity Treaty was a separate 

 treaty from the Washington Treaty? A. l r es.' 



Q. Did you ever hear of the Washington Treaty until you entered 

 this room ? A. I cannot say I knew the real rules of the Washington 

 Treaty. 



Q. Did you ever hear of the Washington Treaty itself until you came 

 into this room I don't ask you about the rules? A. Yes; I have heard 

 the treaty spoken of the Treaty of Washington. 



Q. Do you know what any of its provisions are ? A. No. 



Q. Do you know as to whether your frozen fish from the island go 

 into the United States free by the Treaty of Washington or under some 

 other treaty? A. By the Washington Treaty, I suppose. 



Q. Do you ever do any cod-fishing around the island ? A. I have 

 done some, which 1 have spoken of, on a small scale. 



Q. Do you catch the cod close inshore or far off? A. We catch them 

 from in 15 to 33 fathoms of water. We catch them inshore at certain 

 times from half a mile of the shore to 4 or 5 miles occasionally. 



Q. Do you catch them from half a mile to 4 or 5 miles of the shore? 

 A. It depends on where we find the fish. 



Q. Where do you find most of them ? A. That is uncertain ; some 

 days we find them on one ground and some days on another. 



Q. They are all taken, you say, from half a mile to five miles of the 

 shore? A. I say those I fish. 



Q. What do you say about the others? A, Of course, vessels and 

 large boats go further out, and vessels even go to Grand Manan Bank, 

 which is nearly out of sight of Grand Mauan. 



Q. How far from the shore? A. It is 25 miles to tbe southwst of 

 Grand Manan. You can just see Grand Mauau from it on a clear day. 

 There is about as good fishing there as as anywhere for our vessels this 

 year. 



Q. How do you know that? A. People tell me so, and my own rela- 

 tions tell me so. 



Q. Do 1 understand that the boat-fishing is conducted from a half to 

 4 or 5 miles off ? A. Yes ; the principal boat-fishing. 



Q. Can you state whether the greater part of the catch is obtained 

 within 2 miles of the shore or 5 miles out ? A. It varies with different 

 seasons. In summer the greater part is caught out. In early spring 

 the fish come inshore. In the fall and cold weather the fish follow the 

 weir herring and we catch them inshore again. 



Q. Then the best fishing, taking all the vear round, is inshore? A. 

 No doubt. 



Q. That is for cod ? A. Yes. 



