I960 AWARD OF THE FISHERY COMMISSION. 



Q. That would be, in 1847, old tonnage? A. Yes, that was before 

 tbe new tonnage. 



Q. How many mackerel did you catcb tbat year and wbere were 

 they caught ? A. That year we got 180 barrels, I think. We caught 

 them at the Magdalens. 



Q. All of them ? A. Yes ; all of them at the Magdalens that year. 



Q. Come to 1848; -what vessel were you in then ! A. The schooner 

 Cape Ann. 



Q. How many mackerel did you take and where? A. We got, I 

 think, 220 barrels. 



Q. In the year 1847 you took how many barrels, did you sav ! A. 

 180. 



Q. Was that your full catch ? A. Well, we were fitted out for about 

 200. 



Q. Then in 1848 you were in the Cape Ann ? A. Yes. 



Q. How many barrels did you take ? A. 220, I think. 



Q. Was that a full fare ? A. No, we were fitted out for 300. 



Q. Where did you take them ? A. We caught them at Magdaleus 

 and Bradley and around in that direction ; mostly at the Magdaleus. 



Q. Did you take any of the first two years' catches within three miles, 

 except at the Magdalens ? A. No; not those years. 



Q. Now in 1849 and 1850, were you in the Gulf of St. Lawrence ? A. 

 No. I was not there. 



Q. Where were you then ? A. I was away to sea. 



Q. In 1851, were you in the gulf? A. 1 was in the schooner Dolphin. 



Q. As skipper? A. Yes, sir. 



Q. Well, how many barrels of mackerel did you get ? A. I think it 

 was 180. 



Q. And was that a full fare ? A. No, sir. We fitted for, I think it 

 was, 280. 



Q. Where did you take those 180 ? A. We caught them, as near as 

 I can recollect, most of them off what we call Pigeon Hill. 



Q. How many miles from land? A. Well, I should say we were 

 twelve or fifteen miles off, and sometimes more than that. Sometimes 

 we would just see the land, and then again we would see quite plainly. 



Q. Was any portion of that year's catch taken within three miles ! 

 Was any portion taken within three miles of shore in 185L ? A. I don't 

 think there was. I don't recollect. I didn't get over five barrels within 

 the three-mile limit, I don't think. Five miles we might, because we 

 used sometimes to stand inshore and heave to and see if there was any- 

 thing. Another thing, that year the Canadian cutters where we fished 

 were running backward and forward across the Bay Chaleurs, and where 

 we fished she took no notice of us where we were fishing, and therefore 

 we must have been over three miles off. 



Q. Point out where Pigeon Hill is.? A. (Witness points on the map 

 to Pigeon Hill, near Shippegau, about the mouth of Bay Chaleurs.) 

 There is high land there, and it is what we call Pigeon Hill. 



Q. Now, from 1851 to 1805, what were you doing? A. Well, sir, I 

 don't know as I can tell you. I was all over the world. 



Q. You were not in command of any fishing- vessel ? A. No. For 

 about fourteen years there most of the 'time I went to sea. I used to 

 go away in the winter, and didn't get home in time in the summer to 

 take a vessel. I was all over the world almost. 



Q. In 18G5, where were you then ? A. In 1805 I was in the schooner 

 Martha A. Porter. 



Q. In the gulf ? A. Yes; in command of her. 



