1978 AWARD OF THE FISHERY COMMISSION. 



Q. Theu it is all wrong, that in 1867 yon were in the gulf and caught 

 170 barrels of fish ? A. I don't say it is all wrong. In 1865 I was ill 

 the gulf. 



Q. How many did you get then ? A. I have stated 120 or 170 barrels. 



Q. I don't care what you have stated ; I want to know what you 

 caught in 1865. A. I think 120 barrels. 



Q. Think it over whether in 1865 you caught 120 barrels ? A. I tell 

 you 120 barrels. 



Q. You are sure about that ? A. I am pretty sure. 



Q. Then if, in answer to Mr. Foster, you swore you took 170 barrels, 

 it was an entire mistake. You have no doubt now it was 120 barrels ? 

 A. That is what I thought we got in 1865, 120 barrels. 



Q. Why did you say you did not know whether the quantity was 120 

 or 170 barrels? A. You are getting me mixed. 



Q. During the time you commanded the Martha A. Porte, did you 

 not take out a license? A. Xo. I never took out a license in my life. 



Q. Was any person else besides yourself captain of her at any time 

 during the years 1865, 1866, and 1867? A. Xo. 



Q. Do I understand that no license could be taken out for her with- 

 out your knowledge? A. I don't think it could. 



Q. You would be the party to pay the money ? A. Certainly. 



Q. Do you know how the licenses were taken out ? A. I do not. 



Q. Do you know how much was paid per ton ? A. No. It is some- 

 thing I had nothing to do with. 



Q. You never took out a license at all ? A. Xo. I never took out a 

 license. 



Q. During 1866 and 1867, when in the bay, as you had no license, you 

 would take care that you did not go within the three-mile limit? A. 

 We could fish as well as ever we could if there were any fish to catch. 



Q. You were not afraid ? A. We were not afraid of the cutters. 



Q. Why did you not take out a license ? A. Because 1 did not want 

 to take one out. I went to fish at Magdalen Islands. 



Q. You did not intend to fish around Prince Edward Island ? A. I 

 did not see any cutters. 1 could not say positively whether there were 

 cutters in the bay that year or not. I don't recollect seeing any. 



Q. You swear positively that no license was taken out by you ? A. 

 Xo license was taken out by me. 



Q. You swear positively that in 1867 you -were not in the bay at all, 

 and you were on the Georges ? A. Yes. 



Q. About that you cannot be mistaken. You recollect being in the 

 gulf in 1865 and taking 120 barrels. You swear positively that the next 

 two years you were on the Georges ? A. Yes ; I was on the Georges. 



Q. You swear positively you were not in the gulf at all those years ? 

 A. Yes. 



Q. Can you be mistaken about that ? A. I don't think I can. 



Q. How do you account for swearing, in answer to Mr. Foster, that 

 you were in the gulf in 1867, and that you took, I think, 120 barrels? 

 A. I don't think I did say that. 



Q. Xow, that I tell you you did, are you going to stick to it ? A. I 

 think I was on the Georges those two years. 



Q. Have you any doubt about it ? A. I have no doubt but that I was. 



Q. If there is any mistake about that, your memory is all gone ? A. 

 My memory is not all gone yet ; 1 guess* I can stand it a little while 

 longer. 



Q. I understand you that in 1865 you are sure you were in the bay 



