1980 AWARD OF THE FISHERY COMMISSION. 



Q. Off Gaspe, how near the shore did you get them ? A. From 12 to 

 15 miles off. 



Q. Not inshore at all ? A. We did not catch any mackerel inshore 

 that year. The Canadian cutters were round there and were cruising 

 up and down at the time, and if there had been any mackerel there we 

 could not have gone inshore. 



Q. That is the reason why you did not try inshore ? A. Of course, 

 it was oue reason, because the cutters were cruising up and down and 

 we could not try. 



Q. In fact, you did not attempt to go inshore to fish that year ? 

 A. We did not catch any inshore. 



Q. Did you try ? A. I don't think we did. We might have hove to 

 inshore and tried. I cannot be positive that we did not heave to inshore 

 and try for mackerel, but we never caught any inshore. The mackerel 

 were off shore that year. 



Q. Bo you mean that was unusual ? A. I don't mean it is unusual. 

 The mackerel were off shore and went out of the bay early. None were 

 caught there after 1st October. . 



Q. Do mackerel ever go^inshore there ? A. I suppose they do, and 

 go up Bay Chaleurs sometimes. 



Q. Do they ever go within three miles of land ? A. Yes. 



Q. Is there good fishing as a rule within three miles of shore ? A. I 

 don't know. I think it is likely that there is sometimes good fishing 

 within three miles of the shore. 



Q. Are you sure what vessel you commanded in 1870 ? A. It was the 

 Carleton. 



Q. You are sure of that ? A. Yes. 



Q. Did you not state that you commanded the Phrenix in 1870! A. 

 I mean the Phoenix. 



Q. Now, will you swear positively that in 1870 you commanded the 

 Phrenix ? A. Yes, sir, I will. 



Q. Will you swear positively that you got 180 barrels of mackerel off 

 Bonaventure, as you call it? A. Yes. 



Q. Did you say that you sailed from the Strait of Canso to Bonaven- 

 ture ? A. We ran up the island and tried there. 



Q. And you did not go to the Magdalen Islands ? A. O, yes ; we 

 did. 



Q. Did you go to the Magdalen Islands, and fail, and then go on to 

 Bonaventure ? A. We tried off the island and North Cape, and then 

 ran across to the Magdalen Islands. We did not find mackerel there, 

 and we then ran across to Bouaventure from the Magdalen Islands. 



Q. And did you get the fish there ? A. The most of them we did. 



<,>. Did you not, in answer to Mr. Foster, state that on that trip you 

 got either 120 barrels or 170 barrels off the Magdalen Islands ? And 

 now you swear positively that you caught about 180 barrels, and that 

 you did not get any at the Magdalen Islands, but that you got them 

 somewhere off Bonaventure. A. No ; I do not think that I did. 



(Statement of witness on this point during examiuation-in-chief was 

 here read.) 



Q. How do you reconcile those two statements ? A. I told him that 

 we caught some at the Magdalen Islands and some at Bonaventure. 



Q. So that the statement which you made to Mr. Foster, according to 

 your present statement, is utterly untrue ; and, instead of catching 120 

 or 170 barrels at the Magdalen Islands, as you told Mr. Foster, you 

 caught absolutely none at the Magdalen Islands, but all at Bonaventure. 



