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they told me they carried fat mackerel No. 1 for bait ; but WP didn't 

 carry that. I dou't think there is any mackerel now used for bait. 



Q. You confidently believe there is no other bait used by your flber- 

 men except birds, squid, and clams ? A. That is nil I over knew, and 

 I believe there is DO other. 



Q. Have you heard of large quantities of fro/en herring bein^ obtained 

 on the coast of Newfoundland brought to American j>ort and uiied in 

 the spring? A. Yes; 1 know just about as much altout that a* about 

 our own vessels. 



Q. Do you know this frozen herring was used T A. JiiMt the MmcM 

 I know our vessels go to the Banks since 1851, although I didn't go my- 

 self. I know the Gloucester people buy them by tons and carry th?m 

 to the Grand Bank. 



Q. Why didn't you remember that these herring were lined ? A. I 

 knew they were used by the Gloucester vessels. Jt' you had a-sk.-d in 

 generally about our vessels, I would have mentioned that. 1 am not 

 ignorant that they are used to an enormous extent. 



Q. These herring are taken out, I believe, in the fro/en state and uVd 

 fresh. They are not salted? A. No; they are frozen. In answering 

 you a while ago that I didn't know of any other baits being uned but 

 those you had mentioned, I referred entirely to Provincetown, !> M->- 

 I am not ignorant of the bait they use in Gloucester. Hut there in 

 enough about Provincetown to take me a considerable time to tell, and 

 I thought I would not take in the whole. 1 did not prepare for it. 



Q. Now you say, I think, that about six years ago you were told that 

 there were plenty of squid upon the Banks, the Grand Hank* ralnerN 

 A. Yes ; somewhere about six years ago. 



Q. The next year your people took less salt clams, and they found 

 squid on the Banks? A. Yes. 



Q. The following year they took no salt clams and they found no wjnid 

 'there. Can you account for that? A. 1 can, in the same way that 

 account for the increase and diminution of any kind of fish, 

 sometimes increase and sometimes decrease. Sometimes they are ii 

 neighborhood of the Grand Bank, and don't come on for Home eau 



Q. Then four years ago you say was the first year when your I 

 bankers went into Newfoundland ? A. 1 think about that. 



Q. They have continued to go there ever since f A. They ti 

 tinued and have increased. 



Q. Did it ever strike you as being very strange that the s 

 disappeared from the Banks at exactly the same time I 

 ington Treaty came into operation ? A. No; I never thou 

 fact, I dou't know that the squid knew anything about the N 

 Treatv 



Q. They happened to go at that time? -A. Other thin 

 at the same time as the Washington Treaty. 



Q. You don't think they came in upon the coast fro, 

 consequence of the Washington Treaty?- A. 1 don t 

 posted about that. 



Q. Well, they have been there upon the Newfoundlam 

 sincefour years ago?-A. They have been, moro or les.< 

 think more this year than any previous years. 



Q. And more last year than the next preceding T- 

 positively state so. I think likely. 



Q. And more that year than at first ? f v 



Q. As a matter of fact they have been increasing u 

 think they have. This year there is an immense 



