2062 AWARD OF THE FISHERY COMMISSION. 



Q. Do they avail themselves of the privilege of getting fresh bait 

 elsewhere? A. There have been some in this year. 



Q. These are Provincetown vessels ? A. Yes. 



Q. You stated just now that the privilege was entirely worthless ? A. 

 If they had staid out they would do better. 



Q. How do you know? A. Those that did it did better. 



Q. Those that went in did worse than those that staid out? A. Yes. 



Q. And that is the reason you think it is worthless? A. ~Xes. 



Q. How did they happen to do worse. Is the fresh bait poorer than 

 the salt? A. No; but it uses up so much time going for it. 



Q. How long does it take them ? A. 24 hours. 



Q. Then you deliberately state in consequence of going in and" losing 

 24 hours they do worse than those that stay out and fish with salt bait ? 

 Well, those vessels that do 



Q. You cannot answer. You say those that trust to salt bait are far 

 better off than these that trust to tresh bait ? A. Yes, that is iny opin- 

 ion as far as Provincetown is concerned. 



Q. You do not speak for Cape Ann ? A. No. 



Q. Do you think they value the privilege ? A. I don't know how 

 they value it. 



Q. You haven't made up your mind ? A. No. 



Q. You know about your fleet going to Grand Mauan to get bait? 

 A. Yes. 



Q. You know that? A. I have seen them. I know they go there. 



Q. Did you ever go yourself? A. No. 



Q. Do you know what kinds of fishing grounds Grand Manan and 

 Deer Island are ? A . No. 



Q. Have you ever heard about it ? A. Yes ; because we insure, them 

 sometimes. 



Q. Do you know whether there is a large fishery carried on there ? 

 A. There is considerable. That is all I know. 



Q. In reference to your own waters, there are not a great many Brit- 

 ish vessels fishing in your waters ? A. I never saw them. 



Q. The mackerel that are caught by the Americans themselves are 

 caught ten or fifteen miles from laud ? A. They catch them right in 

 Provincetown Harbor. There are mackerel on the coast. 



Q. Well, then, your idea is that the mackerel are inshore? A. Some- 

 times. 



Q. I mean as a rule ? A. Twenty-five years ago there was mackerel 

 in Provincetown Harbor. 



Q. Is there now ? A. I was going on to tell you the difference. This 

 year there is mackerel there again. It is twenty-five years since I saw 

 them there. 



Q. Taking the last three or four years, haven't the mackerel caught 

 off the American coast been caught ten or fifteen miles off in the deep 

 sea, with purse seines? A. Yes, most of them are caught off. 



Q. The bluefish you will agree with the gentleman that was exam- 

 ined yesterday that they have come and destroyed your fisheries, or 

 ruined them ? A. They drive away the fish wherever they go. 



Q. They kill the mackerel ? A. Yes. 



Q. You never heard of the bluefish in British waters? 



Mr. Whiteway proposed to put some questions to the witness. 



Mr. Foster raised the question as to his right to cross-examine, Mr. 

 Thomson having, on behalf of the British Government, already done so. 



After a brief discuss'on ths cross-examination proceeded. 



