2072 AWARD OF THE FISHERY COMMISSION. 



Q. Don't you know, as a matter of fact, that the fog exists on the 

 Banks but not immediately upon the coast ? A. That doctrine won't sit 

 on me. 



Q. What doctrine do you believe in ? A. I have got a different doc- 

 trine by experience from that. 



Q. Were you ever on the eastern coast ? A. I have been down on 

 the Grand Bank fishing seven years. 



Q. You have been on the Grand Bank for seven years; you said just 

 now you were never fishing at all ? A. I didn't say so. I said I never 

 went to Newfoundland for bait. 



Q. I know you said that, and I understood you to say you never went 

 fishing. A. You never heard me say so. I was, seven years. 



Q. How long ago was that ? A. Forty years ago ; forty or forty -five. 



Q. You were there seven years preceding forty years ago ? A. Yes. 



Q. Seven years consecutively ? A. Somewhere in the neighborhood 

 of forty years ago. I have no record unless I overhaul my old books of 

 voyages. 



Q. What bait did you use in those days ? A. Clams altogether. 



Q. When was it you issued these instructions you spoke of to your cap- 

 tains, and why ? A. When ? Last spring before they went away. 



Q. Just before they sailed! A. Yes; last spring. 



Q. Did you give them in writing ? A. No, sir , they were verbal. 



Q. This was the first year you gave these instructions ? A. Yes ; I 

 will tell you the reason why. 



Q. Never mind the reason. You told them not to go into Newfound- 

 land for bait ? A. Yes ; that is not all. I told them it would be the 

 last voyage they would sail for me. 



Q. Did you tell Mr. Atwood this? A. Not that I know of; I don't 

 know that I ever said anything to him. 



Q. Had you any conversation with Mr. Atwood about it ? A. Not 

 especially ; I never said anything to him that I know of; I don't know 

 as I ever did. 



Q. Did he ever come and ask you your opinion as to vessels going 

 into the Newfoundland coast for bait ? A. He did ; he asked me if I 

 agreed to their going in, if I recommended it. J told him no, not by any 

 means. 



Q. When was this ? A. Ever since the drafts came. 



Q. The drafts were what you disapprpv ed of ? A. No ; but I didn't 

 know that they were there until the drafts came. 



Q. It was the drafts that you disapproved of? A. The drafts would 

 not have come if they had not gone in. 



Q. And it was because of that you did not approve of it ? A. They 

 caused the drafts to come. 



Q. You spoke of a draft for $147 gold that the captain of the Arthur 

 Clifford drew on you ? A. Yes. 



Q. Well, now, have you any bill of parcels of the articles he pur- 

 chased ? A. No, 1 haven't got anything but just the draft ; I never had 

 a single thing. 



Q. He has not returned, and you have not seen the bill ? A. No. 



Q. You don't know what it may be for? A. No. 



Q. But you have a strong objection to paying out money ? A. No, I 

 haven't. I have paid hundreds of dollars there for that and other ves- 

 sels ; I cared nothing about that ; that has nothing to do with the cargo 

 of fish ; but when they last year spent that much money and brought 

 home a half or two-thirds of a fare of fish. 



Q. You object to their going there and drawing drafts and not bring- 



