2074 AWARD OF THE FISHERY COMMISSION. 



Q. Between Cape Kace and Conception Bay there are a number of 

 harbors full of bait ; are there not a number of harbors for that bait 

 between Cape Eace and St. John's? A. You bring an angle of forty- 

 five degrees on one side and fifty-five degrees on the other, and you will 

 find it is the same distance to the harbors you speak of that it is to St. 

 John's. 



Q. Have you never heard of any vessels going in and out in less than 

 three days ? A. Never. 



Q. Is it impossible to do it ? A. I should say so. 



No. 9. 



SATURDAY, September 22, 1877. 

 The Conference met. 



JOSHUA PAINE, of Provincetown,Mass., merchant, called on behalf of 

 the Government of the United States, sworn and examined. 



By Mr. Dana : 



Question. Your age is 58 ? Answer. Yes. 



Q. You are now president of an insurance company? A. Yes; of 

 the Atlantic Mutual Fire and Marine Insurance Company. 



Q. When did you first go fishing? A. I went fishing in 1835. 



Q. In the bay ? A. Yes. 



Q. What fishing ? A. Cod- fishing. 



Q. How long did you continue cod-fishing in the bay ? A. Four 

 years. 



Q. Where did you catch codfish I mean, was it within the three- 

 mile limit ? A. No ; it was deep-sea fishing on Bradley, and Orphan, 

 and the Banks on the west coast, off Miramichi Bay and Point Miscou, 

 and down that way. 



Q. In 1840 you went into the bay again ; wljat for ? A. Mackerel. 



Q. How much did you catch ? A. About 200 barrels. 



Q. Where did you get them ? A. I caught about 100 barrels at the 

 Magdalen Islands, and 100 at Prince Edward Island. 



Q. On the north side ? A. Yes ; on the bend of the island. 



Q. Have you any notion how far off these 100 barrels at Prince Ed- 

 ward Island were caught. Did you catch them within the three miles I 

 A. Well, from recollection, I should judge that most of them were within 

 three miles of the shore. 



Q. In '41 you went into the bay again ? A. Yes ; in another schooner. 



Q. How much did you catch ? A. Fifty-four barrels. 



Q. What was the reason you caught so few? A. We thought we 

 could do better on the American coast, and went home. 



Q. Did you go fishing at home after that ? A. Yes. 



Q. How did you do in the home fishing ? A. I do not recollect that 

 we did anything extra. 



Q. I suppose if you had done very well or very poorly you would have 

 recollected it ? A. I do not recollect anything particular. 



Q. After 1841 you left the fishing business ? A. Well, I went in mer- 

 chant vessels, and then after that I stopped home and started a grocery 

 store. I carried on the Bank fisheries iu a small way up to 1869. 



Q. You mean you engaged, or that you went yourself? A. I had two 

 vessels. 



Q. You didn't go ? A. No. 



Q. In 1869 what did you do ? A. In 1869 I sent a small schooner into 

 the Bay St. Lawrence for mackerel. She was the Emma Lin wood. 



