2088 AWARD OF THE FISHERY COMMISSION. 



Q. You have been in that business more or less since? A. Yes. 



Q. In 1867 you were interested, I believe, in a vessel which was in 

 the Gulf of St. Lawrence; if so, what was it? A. I was interested in 

 the schooner Marshal Ney. 



Q. What was the captain's name? A. E. W. Lumley. 



Q. Was the vessel licensed ? A. Yes. 



Q. What was her tonnage? A. About forty tons. 



Q. How many mackerel did she get that year? A. Seventy-five 

 barrels, as near as I can remember. I am quite positive not over 80 

 barrels. 



Q. Did you succeed in finding the vessel in the list of those licensed ? 

 A. Yes. 



Q. Have you been interested in a few mackerel-fishing vessels fishing 

 on the Massachusetts coast since then f A. Yes. 



Q. How many each year ? A. Some years two, some three, some 

 four. 



Q. When did you have any last ? A. 1875 was the last year we had 

 anything to do with the fish. We had one engaged in that business in 

 1876, but she was chartered by other parties. 



Q. From 1869 to 1875 you were interested in from one to four vessels 

 a year engaged in fishing for mackerel on the United States coast, but 

 in regard to vessels coming to the Gulf of St. Lawrence yon were never 

 interested in any except one, which took out a license in 1867, and 

 caught 75 barrels ? A. Yes. 



Q. Have you fished yourself for cod ? A. Yes. 



Q. Where? A. On the Grand Banks and in the Bay St. Lawrence. 



Q. When ? A. My first year on the Grand Banks was 1857. 



Q. Were you there before you went to the gulf? A. Yes. 



Q. What years were you on the Grand Banks ! A. 1857, 1858, and 

 1860. 



Q. Did you purchase any bait from the British Dominions in those 

 days for Bank cod-fishing ? A. No. 



Q. How did you supply yourselves with bait those years on the Grand 

 Banks ? A. By taking salt bait with us from home and then replenish- 

 ing with what we could get in the way of bait on the Banks. 



Q. What did you get on the Banks in the way of bait ? A. We used 

 to get birds and cut out some portions of the entrails of fish, and some- 

 times we could cut up a piece of haddock to fish with in case of neces- 

 sity. 



Q. When you fished in the Gulf of St. Lawrence, how did you get 

 your bait? A. By nets. 



Q. Set where ? A. Set from the vessels. 



Q. On the fishing grounds? A. Yes. 



Q. Describe the nets? A. The nets are what are called herring nets. 



Q. Put out from the vessel itself or from boats ? A. Put out from 

 the vessel itself and then moored to moorings. 



Q. Out in deep water ? A. Yes. 



Q. And the herring you caught in that way you found sufficient with 

 the bait you took from home ? A. We did not take any bait with us. 

 We did not find the bait we took in our nets sufficient to supply us. 



Q. How did you make out ? A. We did not get a fare of fish in con- 

 sequence of it. 



Q. Now, what experience have you in the voyaging of cod fishermen 

 where the vessels have gone from the Banks to Newfoundland to pro- 

 cure bait? A. We have had vessels go in there two different years. 



Q. What years? A. 1875 and 1876. 



