2110 AWARD OF THE FISHERY COMMISSION. 



the bay with 900 American vessels, and you answer that he must be 

 wrong? A. Yes. 



Q. Because he had no statistics to go by ? A. I said that he did not 

 speak from statistics ; that is what I meant, any way. 



Q. But he states that he had been in the bay with them ? A. He 

 never saw 900 American vessels in the bay; and if he was here I would 

 just tell him so. 



Q. You have never examined the statistics yourself, and you are 

 speaking from what others have said ? A. I have heard gentlemen say 

 how many registered vessels we have. I never examined the statistics 

 myself. Probably you know ; you may have the statistics. 



Q. Yes ; and if you are wrong in your statistics, or rather in your 

 recollection or presumption of what the statistics are, your evidence on 

 this point would be valueless, would it not ? A. I do not know but it 

 then might be. 



Q. Who gave the statistics to you ? A. I could not tell you, but I 

 heard them spoken of. 



Q. You base your statement on information obtained from persons 

 whose names you cannot remember, and you never examined the sta- 

 tistics yourself? A. Yes. 



Ey Mr. Trestot : 



Q. You state it from general intelligence received by you ? A. Yes. 

 By Mr. Davies: 



Q. Will you undertake to contradict Mr. Bradley on that ? A. Yes. 



Q. You will ? A. Yes ; my common sense tells me that there were 

 never 900 American vessels in the bay at one time. I do not think that 

 Captain Bradley meant to lie, and I would not say that he would lie in 

 any way or shape. 



Q. Then you say that the statement of Mr. Bradley is false ? A. I 

 have nothing to do with Mr. Bradley's statement. I said I never be- 

 lieved that there were 900 American vessels in the bay at one time. 



Q. But I ask you that question now. A. Has he any right to bring 

 me to oath on Captain Bradley's statement ? 



Mr. DANA. No. 



WITNESS. You want me to say that Mr. Bradley is a liar, and I will 

 not say so. 



By Mr. Davies : 



Q. What do you say ? A. I state that there never were 900 Amer- 

 ican vessels in the bay at one time. 



Q. And if Captain Bradley says so, he is wrong ? A. I am not saying 

 so. You cannot make me commit myself. 



Q. I do not desire to do so. A. You want me to say that Captain 

 Bradley is telling a lie, and I won't do anything of the kind. 



Q. You will not swear either that he is telling the truth or a lie ; you 

 refuse to answer. A. I refuse to implicate Captain Bradley as a liar. 



Q. Will you venture to assert that Captain Bradley's statement is in- 

 correct? A. I say that in my opinion and to the best of my ability, I 

 do not believe it, and I know that there never were 900 American ves- 

 sels in the bay at one time, and that I guess is all that is required of me 

 on that question. 



Q. You came to the bay in 18G7 ? A. Yes. 



Q. In the Finback ? A. Yes. 



Q. And you took out a license 1 ? A. Yes. 



Q. And you did this, you say, for two reasons first, because you 



