AWARD OP THE FISHERY COMMISSION. 2111 



would not then be liable to be taken 10 miles off nbore by the cutter*, 

 and secondly because you wished to fish within the 3 mile limit if anv' 

 such chance presented itself f A. I considered that I wan a* liable to 

 be taken within 10 as within 3 miles of the shore. 



Q. You stated that you considered so, from what you had neen ? A. 

 I have seen American vessels bothered when outside of the limit-. 



Q. That is a serious statement. A. This happened Home time Wore 

 that. 



Q. I wish you to name one vessel which was rapt un-d or taken by the 

 cutters outside of three-mile limit. A. I could not tell you the year, hot 

 it occurred under the old treaty, when they used to take veiwela. 



Q. Under what old treaty ? A. I do not exactly know bow long tbi 

 was ago. I have seen 7 or 8 vessels lying Mow North Cape, when cot- 

 ters would come down and bother some of them, and the rent would all 

 make sail and gooff; and this happened when they were fishing without 

 the bounds. 



Q. Give the names of the cutters. A. There were the Daring. Gap 

 tain Lay bold, and the Telegraph I do not know the name of her cap- 

 tain. These cutters were in the bay in 18ol and 1H.W, and along there. 

 I have been fishing when cutters would come down along the island and 

 fire guns, no matter though the American vessels were seven or eight 

 miles off shore. This bothered the fish, and the American veasel* would 

 then scatter. Seven or eight miles is my estimate, but I will not nwear 

 to the exact distance. I will not swear to the cutter that did it : there 

 were several of them in the bay at the time. 



Q. Can you give me the name of a cutter which interfered with Ml 

 American vessel when seven or eight miles off shore! A. I do not 

 know that I could. I remember that when American vessels were laving 

 there, one of the cutters came down and fired guns, but I could not tell 

 you which one did it. I think that at the time it was not clearly under- 

 stood whether the line was to be drawn from headland to headland, or 

 whether the distance was to be measured from the short* invariably. 



Q. Whereabouts did this happen f A. Between North Cape and Kil 

 dare, seven or eight miles off North Cape, to the best of my judgmen 

 It was that distance, I think, off the land between North Cape aud Kil 

 dare. 



Q. And in 1867 you remembered that this outrage or act 

 A. Yes. 



Q. And you state that your remembering this 

 rence was one of the reasons why you took out a license f 

 one of the reasons. 



Q. And you seriously give it as such ? A. \es 



Q. Do vou seriously affirm before this Commission that 

 influenced you! A." That was one thing with other* 

 anxious; I did not know how far the cutters would but 



Q. Name the other vesselsA. 1 know that fish had 

 shore. I had caught some there in I**!, and I wanted 

 to take advantage of any such opportunity. 



Q. How much did yon pay for your license ! 

 obtained it of Vincent Wallace at Port Mulgravt 



Q. You had then been sixteen years without catchin 

 the three-mile limit in BritNIi waters and you nev, 

 there of any moment at all .luring all the ye*ra you 



ba 4 ? And Svenhe^utid ,00 for a license to ft* .i,U. . 



