2118 AWARD OF THE FISHERY COMMISSION. 



shores last year? A. I presume there was. There were 55 barrels 

 caught in the Bay St. Lawrence. 



Q. When you were speaking of your market were you not confining 

 yourself only to your own town ? A. We don't eat many fish in our 

 town. 1 packed ll,000 barrels last year. 



Q. How many mackerel does your market require ? A. I don't know. 



Q. Can you give us any idea ? A. I haven't the least idea. 



Q. Have you any sort of an idea whatever how many of those mack- 

 eral last year that did supply that demand were caught in the United 

 States waters f A. No, I have not, only as to my own town of Well- 

 fleet. In the town of Wellfleet there was 38,000 barrels put up. 



Q. Outside of that you can't give us any idea whatever ? A. No. 



Q. Do you recollect when there was an agitation in regard to the 

 Washington Treaty coming into operation ? A. I heard of it. I don't 

 recollect anything particular. 



Q. Did you engage with those who sent a delegation to Washing- 

 ton ? A. I didn't take any part in any political movement. 



Q. In 1838 and 1839 you fished ? A. Yes. 



Q. In the Bay St. Lawrence ? Then from 1839 to 1845 you ceased to 

 fish there ? You fished on your own shores ? A. Yes. 



Q. Then afterwards when did you fish on your own shores ? It was 

 after '45 ? A. Yes. 



Q. Yon have nothing in your books, I suppose, except dates ? A. No. 



Q. And these dates, of course, come from your records ? A. All of 

 those except one. I went with other men into the bay. 



Q. Did you put those years down ? A. They are all down in the 

 book up to 1873. Then I was master. 



Q. From '39 to '45 you went on your own coast 1 A. Yes. 



Q. You didn't take any account of those years? A. I only took a 

 list of the vessels I went in, not the quantity of fish caught. 



Q. You didn't take down the names of the vessels you fished in on 

 your own coast ? A. Yes ; all the ves sels I ever went in. 



Q. What vessels did you fish in in the Gulf of St. Lawrence? Did 

 you take a list of them ! A. I have them. 



Q. I wish you had made a list so that you could put it in ? A. I can 

 give you the vessels and the tonnage. 



Q. Tell me if you can name any Nova Scotians or Canadians you fished 

 with ? A. In the bay f 



Q. Yes. A. I could not tell you one. 



Q. You cannot give the name of a single man ? A. Do you mean in 

 the vessels with me? 



Q. Certainly; that is what I want to find out. A. I don't carry it 

 in my mind. It is 15 years since I went into the bay. 



Q. These you have written down there in the (memorandum) are from 

 memory? A. Yes. 



Q. Not from any book ? A. No. 



Q. Then if your memory is defective the book is defective ? A. Yes, 

 tli at is so. 



Q. Now, you have looked at the book. If you have it from your 

 memory why can't you give it to us without looking at the book ? I can 

 understand from the rules of the evidence it is allowable to look at any 

 writing or instrument made at the time, but I never heard of it being 

 allowed to write down from memory and give evidence from paper. A. 

 If I am sitting down by myself I can count them up, but in a room like 

 this it is different. 



Q. We had an American master here the other day. He gave the 



