2120 AWARD OF THE FISHERY COMMISSION. 



the exact number. We may have caught a few more, but I can say 

 without flinching that we caught 250 barrels. We made two trips. 



Q. Why didn't you go on fishing in the bay ? A. We thought we 

 could do better on our coast. 



Q. As you had done so poorly the year before, why did you go in the 

 bay that year ? A. I do not know that I had any particular reason. I 

 was in the vessel and wherever the captain went I went. I shipped in 

 the vessel and she concluded to go in thfe bay. 



Q. That is no reason at all, as you could go where you liked. 



Q. That year you got 250 barrels. Having got only 30 barrels the 

 year before, you came to the bay again, and yet when you got 250 bar- 

 rels this year you didn't go again. Can you give any reason for remem- 

 bering what proportion of these fish you caught within three miles of 

 the shore? A. Well, it is impressed upon my mind because the inshore 

 was forbidden ground, and if we caught anything we would be apt to 

 recollect it. 



Q. That is one of the best reasons in the world. I am speaking now 

 of the whole period. You understand that, I suppose. Perhaps you 

 don't understand me? Do you understand my question to refer to any 

 particular year ? A. No. 



Q. You understand it to refer to all the years f A. Yes. 



Q. Of course that is a very good reason. Did you ever hear of the 

 practice of lee- bowing boats ? A. Never, until I got down here. 



Q. Do you mean until you came down here as a witness ? A. Yes. 



Q. Where did you hear it ? A. I don't know. I have heard it re- 

 marked. 



Q. Did you ever hear the expression ? A. I have heard the expres- 

 sion lee-bowing. 



Q. You always tried to keep outside the three-mile limit ? A. I did 

 not say so. 



Q. You would not come in, because it was illegal to go in ? I under- 

 stood you to say that. A. I never said that. You asked me if I caught 

 any fish inside. 



Q. I asked you what reason yon had for remembering why you had 

 caught fish inside. You told me, as I understood, and you can correct 

 me now if I ain wrong, that you understood it to be illegal ? A. I did 

 not understand your question so. I understood you to ask the question 

 why I remembered when I caught mackerel inside. I said because it 

 was forbidden ground. 



Q. I understand now the reason you recollect. I confess I misunder 

 stood you. What do you mean by forbidden ground ? A. Inside of 

 three miles. 



Q. Why was it forbidden grounds ? t Who forbade you ? A. The gov- 

 ernment. 



Q. Did your owners tell you not to go inside ? A. It was the govern- 

 ment. 



Q. Then it was illegal? A. I presume it was. 



Q. You understood it was wrong ? A. I did. 



Q. And that you were liable to seizure? A. Yes. 



Q. That is to say, that if you were caught inshore you might have 

 your vessel confiscated ? Then you ran a great risk, did you not ? A. 

 I considered I ran a risk by being within five miles. 



Q. You did know you were running a risk inshore ? A. Yes. 



Q. You considered all the time you were fishing in the Gulf of St. 

 Lawrence that you were running a risk, didn't you ! You say you were 



