AWARD OF THE FISHERY COMMISSION. 2143 



Q. After that it was necessary to have a license ? A. Ye*. 



Q. How many mackerel trips were made by your vowel* after the 

 Reciprocity Treaty was abrogated ? A. I was interested in three tritw 

 but I could not tell you the years. 



Q. Can you not give me the years when you bad vessels in the b*r 

 fishing for mackerel I Were they 18(JG, 1867, 1808, or 1869 ? A. I think 

 they must have been 1872 and 1873 ; I will not swear to it. 



Q. You don't know whether yon had licenses or not ? A. No. 



Q. Are you aware there were no licenses issued then ? A. I am not. 



Q. Are you aware that it was impossible to procure |K?rmis*ion to fifth 

 within three miles of the shore in 1872? A. I don't know anything 

 about it. 



Q. You have no idea ? A. No. 



Q. And you have no idea where your fish were caught that year ? 

 A. No. 



Q. They may all have been caught in harbors? A. They may all 

 have been caught up rivers for all I know. 



Q. You never made inquiry ? A. No. 



Q. Did you give any directions to your captains as to where they 

 should fish ? A. No; it would be no use. When they leave the wharf 

 we lose all jurisdiction over them, and they go where they have a mind. 



Q. You give no directions ? A. It would be useless to do no. 



Q. You made no inquiries as to where the fish were caught ? A. 

 No. 



Q. Did you state in your direct examination that the right to flab 

 within three miles of the laud was of no use ? A. Yes. 



Q. How do you arrive at that opinion ? You never fished there your- 

 self to any extent? A. In the first place, the vessels spoud a great 

 deal of time in the harbors. If they kept outside we would not have M> 

 many drafts from them ; they would be attending to their business and 

 would get their trips. This refers to both mackerel, cod, and halibut 

 fishing. In- the next place, we would get a little better price for our 

 fish, and a good deal better price for our mackerel. 



Q. Those are the only reasons you have to give ? A. The vessel* 

 would get more mackerel off shore. 



Q. How did you find out that the mackerel were better off shore than 

 inshore; and how did you find out that there were more umckerel off 

 shore, if you never fished inshore? A. I don't think I made the a**cr- 

 tion that they were better mackerel offshore than inshore. 



Q. You thought you would get more mackerel and get a better price 

 for them ? A. If we had a duty on mackerel we would get a better pri 

 and would get more mackerel if we fished on" shore. 



Q. I am asking you what reasons you have for considering the \ 

 lege of fishing inshore to be of no use f A. I said 1 thought 

 catch more mackerel if they fished off shore and kept the vwa 

 harbors, and that we would not have so many drafts, and, in a 

 another question, I said we would got a better price for our i 



Q. You did not give that as a reason for thinking the privilege 

 ing inshore of no use? A. I certainly think if we had not 

 of fishing inshore you would have, to pay a duty on your i 

 have no other market to which to send them. 



Q. You are now advancing theories. 1 want fact? 

 ing of the duty at all j where did you get that idea ! ^ o< 

 anything about duty in your examination T-A. >o quest 

 me about duty. 



