2154 AWARD OP THE FISHERY COMMISSION. 



Q. Have you heard the Cape Breton shore, between Cheticamp and 

 Margaree and around Margaree Island, spoken of as one of the fishing 

 grounds of American fishermen ? A. Yes. 



Q. Often? A. Yes. 



Q. And as one of the best fishing grounds? A. I never heard it 

 spoken of in that way. 



Q. Have you ever heard it mentioned as a place where the best fish 

 are taken in the fall ? A. No. 



Q. In 1864 you were in the Joseph Storey, and you stated at first that 

 you got your first trip at the Magdalen Islands, and afterward you cor- 

 rected yourself and said that was wrong ; what really is the fact? A. 

 The fact is that I caught the whole trip at the Magdalen Islands, and I 

 do not think that I altered that statement. 



Q. I understood you to alter it. A. If I did, I was wrong. I caught 

 them all at the Magdalen Islands. 



Q. How far out around the Magdalen Islands did you fish ? A. When I 

 speak of fishing round them, I mean inshore, and off shore I could not 

 determine the distance round, but the distances off ehore would vary 

 from 2 to 30 miles. 



Q. Is the bulk of the fish caught near the shores of these islands ? 

 A. The bulk of mine was not so taken. 



Q. Is the bulk of the fish taken near their shores by other people ? 

 A. I do not know. 



Q. You have no knowledge of what others have caught there ? A. 

 Xo more than seeing their vessels fishing where I was. 



Q. You really cannot tell whether the bulk of the fish is caught in- 

 shore there or not ? A. Other vessels might have done so, but I did 

 not. 



Q. What proportion of yours was caught there within the three-mile 

 limit? A. A small proportion; possibly from 15 to 25 barrels in the 

 trip I made there. 



Q. That number out of 270 or 280? A. Yes. 



Q. And the rest were caught from 15 to 20 miles from the islands ? 

 A. From 2 to 30 miles off. 



Q. During that trip! A. And in fact during every trip I was there. 



Q. Did you fish on Bank Bradley during your first trip? A. No. I 

 fished then entirely at the Magdalen Islands. 



Q. And where did you fish on your second trip? A. At the Magda- 

 len islands. 



Q. That year ? A. Yes. 



Q. You caught it altogether there ? A. Yes. 



Q. And on your third trip you fished about East Point and Marga- 

 ree, and caught three-quarters of your fish within the three-mile limit. 

 How much did you catch on your third trip that year ? A. 240 bar- 

 rels, and I caught them at Margaree Island. 



Q. How far from the island ? A. It is difficult to determine that. I 

 presume that I caught three-quarters of that trip within the limits. 



Q. Would you like to swear that you caught one-quarter of it outside 

 the three-mile limit? A. I should. 



Q. Why ? A. Because I fished well off shore. 



Q. And you are perfectly clear in your recollection as tD three-quar- 

 ters of the trip being taken inside and one-quarter of it outside of the 

 limits ? A. Yes ; to the best of my judgment. 



Q. Is that the only time when you fished around Margaree ? A. Yes ; 

 that year. 



Q. Did you fish there at any other time ? A. I believe not. 



