2166 AWAKD OF THE FISHERY COMMISSION. 



three-mile range. I don't know but what they have. I don't think any- 

 thing more than a 10th part certainly. 



Q. Do you include in that the Magdalens as well ? Do you mean 

 within three miles of all the coast ? A. Yes, sir. 



Q. Magdalen Islands and all? A. Certainly. 



Q. Perhaps you know that before the Washington Treaty we had the 

 right to fish as near as we pleased to the Magdalen Islands I A. Cer- 

 tainly, we always understood that. 



Q. And also Labrador ? A. Yes. 



Q. What the treaty gives us is the other places. Now taking the 

 rights we had, irrespective of the treaty, to use Magdalen Islands and 

 Labrador as we pleased, do you attach much practical value to the ad- 

 ditional privilege of going within three miles of other parts of the 

 gulf? A. I would not think there was any money value in it. 



Q. Taking it through ?. A. There is not any money value there. 



Q. Now, you have given one reason, and that is the danger of vessels 

 being too fond of lying in port ? A. Yes, sir. 



Q. Now, how do you think the fish caught, when they are caught, com- 

 pare with those caught in the deep waters or on the Banks? A. Well, 

 the fish caught along Prince Edward Island are the poorest fish caught 

 in the bay ; they are generally of small size. 



Q. Well, the fattest and stoutest fish are caught in the autumn in the 

 bay ? A. Yes, that is my experience. 



Q. Do you think much of the Bend of Prince Edward Island in the 

 autumn as a fishing-ground ? A. No, I do not ; we have caught some 

 very fine mackerel down on the Cape Breton coast there off Margaree. 



Q. Is that a good fishing-ground ? A. Yes. 



Q. You get good fish there in the autumn 1 A. Yes. 



Q. And at the Magdalens? A. The Magdalens mackerel are the 

 largest we get in the bay up about Bird Eocks. 



Q. The largest and best of all are those caught on our own coast ? A. 

 North about Magdalen Islands and Bird Rock is the best in the bay. 



Q. But of all the No..l mackerel caught, the best, according to the 

 market rates, are those caught off the coast of the United States ? A. 

 O, yes. 



Q. Now, I ask your attention for a moment to the subject of boat-fish- 

 ing, including among boats anything under 20 tons. You have small 

 open boats to begin with. Is there a great deal of day and night fish- 

 ing near Gloucester ? A. Yes. 



Q. Dory fishing ? A. Some considerable. 



Q. They catch mackerel, and what else? A. Haddock, in the winter. 



Q. The haddock in the winter is sent fresh into the market? A. Yes. 



Q. The rest of the season's fish is also caught in dories? A. Yes. 



Q. Take now the larger vessels, which are still called boats, having 

 a cuddy decked over, which fits them for a day or two or two or three 

 days' fishing. Is there a good deal of that? A. Some considerable. 



Q. How do they succeed in their fishing altogether? A. Well, the 

 people about Gloucester and Cape Ann do pretty well. They get a good 

 living. That is what we call doing well. 



Q. Those small vessels fish all the winter and summer? A. Yes. 



Q. Has the shore fishery from Gloucester increased or diminished for 

 the last ten years ? A. Increased greatly. 



Q. In numbers and profit, do you mean ? A.. Yes, sir. 



Q. Is there much herring caught by your Gloucester boats and ves- 

 sels ? A. There is a school of herring comes there about this time in 

 the fall, and lasts about well, as much as three or four weeks. 



