2192 AWARD OF THE FISHERY COMMISSION. 



Wagner, the murderer, was one of the Ellsworth crew that year. His share amounted to 

 $307. Owned by Rowe & Jordan. 



Schooner General Grant, Captain Coas, in 1864, stocked, in two trips to the Bay of St. 

 Lawrence, 11,254.94 clear of all expenses. The high liner made $502.24; cook's share, 

 $638. 17. 



Schooner Norwester, Capt. Daniel Hillier, the same year, stocked $9,721 .74, net, in one 

 bay trip ; the high liner making $303.60, and the cook $466.61. Both vessels owned by 

 John Pew & Son. 



Schooner General Sherman, Capt. George W. Miner, in 1864, in a three months' trip to 

 the bay, packed 612 barrels of mackerel, her net stock amounting to $9,696. High liner's 

 share, $575.06. Owned by D. C. & H. Babson. 



Schooner Kit Carson, Capt. Horace Merry, in 1865, brought in 591 barrels of mackerel, 

 having been absent about ten weeks. Her net stock amounted to 6,542. High liner's 

 share $260. Owned by Rowe & Jordan. 



Schooner James G. Tarr, Capt. Robert Reeves, in 1866, stocked 5,824 in a nine weeks' 

 trip to the bay. Cook's share, 331 .76. Owned by Dodd, Tarr &, Co. 



Q. You knew those vessels and their owners ? A. Yes. 



Q. Do you remember the catches ? A. Yes. 



Q. But you think you never made as much profit any year ? A. I 

 never wanted to get it into the papers and swell it up any. 



Q. You have had a good deal of experience in the bay, but for the last 

 ten years you have not been fishing ! A. No. 



Q. Therefore you can give no statement of the habits of the mackerel 

 during the last ten years, and whether they have been more taken in- 

 shore than formerly ? A. I think they have. I have heard that they 

 catch some on the south side of Prince Edward Island, where we never 

 used to catch any ; that is, off Souris. We never used to catch fish 

 there. 



Q. You have heard that they are now caught there ? A. Yes. 



Q. Have you conversed much with captains in the American fleet ? 

 A. When they come in I ask them where they caught their fish. 



Q. Y^ou have learnt from them that the habits of the fish are now dif- 

 ferent ? A. They don't go on that ground at all. 



Q. They don't go on the old ground ? A. No. 



Q. Do they catch more inshore ? A. They don't go on the old 

 ground. 



Q. The vessels don't go on the old ground, such as Bank Bradley ? 

 A. No. 



Q. They fish around the shores more ? A. Yes. 



Q. You have not been there personally ? A. No. 



Q. I watched your evidence pretty closely, you being an experienced 

 man, but I did not hear you mention Bay Chaleurs. A. I have been 

 there, but I never could get any fish there. 



Q. Your memory probably has failed you in regard to your having 

 caught any there f A. No ; I have not caught any there. I never went 

 there much. I heard about vessels going up and getting nothing, so I 

 never went up much. I always got my fish at the Magdalen Islands 

 and Banks Bradley and Orphan. 



Q. Do you know Ronald McDonald, of Souris, farmer and fisherman? 

 In his evidence he said he was with you in the Rattler in 1859 and I860. 

 I will read from his statement: 



Q. How many summers were you in that vessel ? A. One summer. 



Q. Who was the captain ? A. Andrew Layton. 



Q. Where did the vessel hail from 1 A. Gloucester. 



Q. How many barrels did she get ? A. About 1,000 barrels. 



Q. Captain Layton is always successful apparently ? A. I believe he is. 



Q. He is one of the best fishermen in the fleet ? A. In his time, when he was in the bay, 

 I think he was. 



Q. Where did yon go to fish T A. I shipped at East Point, Prince Edward Island, and 

 we fished along to West Cape ; then up' the West Shore, up to the Bay Chaleurs ; then off 





