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and that captains don't fish on the old grounds ? A. I would like to see 

 a man who caught mackerel there during the years I was in the bay. 



Q. West Cape is opposite to the New Brunswick shore ? A. Yes. 



Q. Is not Miminegash between North Cape and West Cape ? A. I 

 don't know the name. 



Q. Would you be surprised to know that the best fishing at Prince 

 Edward Island this year is at Miminegash, betweeu West Cape and 

 North Cape? A. I don't know but that it may be. When I went to 

 the bay I never knew any mackerel caught up that way. 



Q. Point it out on the map. A. The place you mention is what is 

 called French Village. There used to be mackerel in there once in a 

 while. The year of the gale I heard about mackerel being caught in 

 there. 



Q. That is within a very few miles of West Cape ? A. From 15 to 20 

 miles. That is as far as I have heard of mackerel being caught up there, 

 except at Cape Egmont Bay, where boats take them. 



Q. At what parts of the island were fish caught in your day ? A. I 

 heard of none being caught there except along the north side. 



Q. You heard they were caught along the north side? A. Yes; but 

 I never fished there. 



Q. Do you wish to imply that there is the slightest doubt that fish 

 were caught along the north side ? A. There were fish caught on the 

 north side. I spoke vessels which had caught them there. 



Q. You heard that from American captains ? A. Yes. 



Q. Do you know Capt. Chivirie ? A. Yes. 



Q. Is he a respectable man ? A. He was with me as a boy. He was 

 then eighteen or twenty years old. 



Q. Had he been fishing four or five years before he went with you ? 

 A. Yes ; out of Newburyport. 



Q. Then he was a somewhat experienced fisherman ? A. I don't 

 know. 



Q. After three or four years' fishing, if a man is smart, be is con- 

 sidered an experienced fisherman ? A. Yes. 



Q. Captain Chivirie gave his testimony, and I will call your attention 

 to it. He said : " In 1852 I was in the Eio del Norte." Before I read 

 that portion of Captain Chivirie's testimony, do I understand you cor- 

 rectly with regard to Margaree ? You fished several times from Cheti- 

 camp to Margaree ? A. Yes. 



Q. I understood you to say that all the fish you caught there were 

 caught within a short distance of the shore ? A. What I caught in 

 those years. 



Q. What you caught at Margaree and on Cape Breton shore were 

 caught inshore ? A. I told you what years I caught these there. 



Q. Did you catch what you caught there within three miles of the 

 shore? A. Those years I caught them. In the year I caught 130 bar- 

 rels in the Eio del Norte, I caught them off shore. 



Q. I want to know whether the mackerel caught by you at Margaree 

 and along the Cape Breton coast from Cheticamp to Margaree were 

 taken within three miles of the shore ? A. All of them ? No. 



Q. Then I misunderstood you. You stated in answer to Mr. Foster, 

 I thought, that at Margaree Island in 1858, in the Queen of Clippers, 

 you caught 100 barrels inshore ? A. Yes. 



Q. Were all these 100 barrels taken inshore? A. About all those. 



Q. And in 1851, in the Eio del Norte, 100 barrels at Margaree were 

 taken inshore? A. Not 100 barrels. I had 280 barrels, and I got 



