2196 AWARD OF THE FISHERY COMMISSION. 



Q. When he did that, did you not cross the three-mile line ? A. No ; 

 because if there had been any fish inshore, no doubt I would have gone. 



Q. Had you any scruples about crossing the line ? A. None at all. 

 I knew that the English vessels found no fish inshore. 



Q. If there were no fish inshore and you were fishing outside and 

 found fish there, what necessity was there for the cutter to run down to 

 show you the three mile line every morning ? A. He ran every day. 



Q. And told you he would go every day and so mark the line ? A. 

 He told me he ran the three-mile line. 



Q. If there were no fish inshore, where was the necessity for that ! 

 A. He was on that station and had always to stay there. 



Q. You took particular notice of the Hue ? A. I took notice enough 

 not to go inside at all. 



Q. How far out of it did you keep ? A. Half a mile, perhaps a mile, 

 perhaps a quarter of a mile ; I might be right alongside of it some- 

 times. 



Q. You never let the bow of the vessel cross it ? A. Not when he 

 was there. 



Q. When he was not there? A. We had no occasion. There were 

 not many mackerel inshore or off shore. They did not get many that 

 fall. 



Q. I will read you part of the statement made before this Commission 

 by Captain Chivirie. He said : 



la 1852 I was in the Rio del Norte. We made one trip on the American coast. We then 

 left that coast and came down the Gulf of the St. Lawrence. 



Q. And who was her captain ? A. Andrew Layton, of Gloucester. 



Q. A very experienced fisherman ? A. Yes. 



Q. You came down to the bay to fish ? A. We went qjit on the American coast. The 

 vessel was of rather small size ; she was about sixty tons, I think, and this is the reason 

 why we went out on the American coast. We found the fish to be very small, though there 

 were a great many in that quarter. In about four weeks we caught one hundred and ten 

 barrels, and having landed them, we had repairs made, and fitting out, came down the bay, 

 where most of the fleet was. 



Q.^He gave the same catch as you, 110 barrels on the American 

 coast. He is correct in that ? A. I think he is. 



We fished between Port Hood and Cheticamp. We made all our trip there, and were 

 aboutjfourteen^or fifteen days on that part of the coast. 



Q. Is that correct ? A. Yes. 



When we came to Port Hood we found a cutter in the bay. 



Q. Is that correct ? A. Yes. 



A ilarge fleet was there, but we did not mind the cutter or anything else. The captain 

 says, " I am going to have mackerel," and we got them anyhow ; and we succeeded. 



Q. That tallies to some extent. You would not have minded going 

 over the line if mackerel were there ? A. We could not have gone over 

 if they had been ever so plentiful. 



Q. If the fish had been there, you would have been there ? A. I 

 would have been, but there were not fish enough. 



In a fortnight we caught two hundred and thirty or forty barrels. 



Q. Is 240 correct ? A. No. 



Q. You say 140 ? A. 130. I went to see the man who packed them; 

 he is down here. 



Q. Who is the man ? A. Mr. Tarr. 



Q. Before you had seen Mr. Tarr, had you had this read over to you ? 

 A. Yes. 



Q. Were you at that time prepared to dispute the accuracy of Cap- 

 tain Chivirie's statement ? A. Yes. 



