2248 AWARD OF THE FISHERY COMMISSION. 



We went in to get mackerel. We got about one barrel among seven or 

 eight men. It was more for the sport than for the fish. 



Q. It did not occur to you to run the vessel inshore ? A. No. 



Q. Why ? A. Because the captain did not care for the shores, and 

 did not think it worth while. 



Q. That year when you got 1,200 barrels you caught them all outside, 

 and the very next year the captain went inshore J ? A. The reason he 

 did it was to avoid any trouble whatever. 



Q. In 1865 you never fished in sight of the shore; there was no trouble 

 then ? A. He would get fish for mackerel if they were to be caught. 



Q. You never ran in to see? A. We went in to see, but none were 

 caught inshore. 



Q. I am confining myself to 1865 ? A,. Most likely we did go in and 

 try. 



Q. From all you can remember to the contrary, you did go in and 

 fish ? A. I don't recollect that we were inside of the three miles when 

 fishing on that vessel. 



Q. It seems curious that when you caught the large catch outside, the 

 next year you should take out a license? A. There is a difference in 

 men. Some did not take out any license, but other men, law-abiding- 

 citizens, when they found the law required them to do so, took them out. 



Q. A good many did not take out licenses ? A. Some. 



Q. How many ? A. I could not form any idea. 



Q. You knew there were some ? A. I don't know any more than what 

 they have said. 



Q. From what they told you, you understood there were some who 

 did not take out licenses ? A. Yes. 



Q. There was a large fleet which did take out licenses that year? A. 

 I know we took out a license one year. 



Q. Mr. Foster has said you had licenses two years ? A. I did not 

 know it. 



Q. In 1866 you made two trips in the same vessel ; where did you 

 catch your fish ? A. On the same fishing-gound as in 1865 j at Magda- 

 len Islands and North Cape. 



Q. Any inshore ? A. I think not. I never remember trying inshore 

 that year, although we had a license. 



Q. Did you go inshore that year at all ? A. It is likely we did. 



Q. Whereabouts ? A. I could not say that we ever did, because that 

 year I used to take bearings to form an idea how far we were from laud. 

 There used to be arguments with the crew and captain as to how far 

 we were off, and we were always further off land by the cross-bearings 

 than they estimated. 



Q. How far off did you appear to be by the cross-beariugs ? A. From 

 five to ten miles. 



Q. Off what land ? A. Off North Cape. 



Q. Were some of the crew disputing as to whether you were not 

 within three miles of the shore? A. Yes. 



Q. Was that when you were ten miles off? A. Not when we were 

 ten miles off, but when we were different distances. 



Q. From five to ten miles ? A. I think the closest I ever found us by 

 cross- bearings was four miles. 



Q. And you took them for your own satisfaction ? A. Yes. 



Q. You had no doubt in your mind that you were outside of three 

 miles ? A. I was studying navigation ; I did it for practice and for 

 several purposes. 



