2294 AWARD OF THE FISHERY COMMISSION. 



here a statement since 1866 showing the number of vessels and number 

 of barrels taken, but not the dollars and cents. 



Q. What does this statement show ? (Statement exhibited.) A. I 

 sell the mackerel to others, and that is an account of the amount re- 

 ceived from the sale of the mackerel, of which the crew received their 

 half and I received mine. That is clear of the packing. 



Q. Out of the packing and incidental business connected with the 

 sale of the fish, you make a profit ? A. Yes j and out of curing the fish. 



Q. And on all the articles supplied ? A. A small percentage. 



Q. You limit this statement to the actual cost of taking the fish your- 

 self and what you received for them ? A. Yes. 



Q. How was the small sum of $9,905- realized in the year 1861 for 

 1,896 barrels ? A. It was owing to the price of mackerel for number 

 ones, twos, and threes. 



Q. In 1862, 698 barrels realized $5,305, and in 1863, 1,424 barrels 

 realized $15,628 this only shows how much in gross you realized these 

 years ? A. Yes. 



Q. Can you give an estimate of the cost of each barrel of mackerel 

 on the average for the catch I A. In that statement it is perhaps as 

 correct as it can be got. 



Q. How do you find out whether each of these trips is profitable or 

 not ? A. All the trips go into the year's work. 



Q. Can you from your books for these years give me the actual result 

 showing the profit which you made on each of these voyages ? A. It 

 is impossible for anybody to do that ; the books relate to the proceed- 

 ings of the whole year, and a vessel runs for 10 months. 



Q. You have made up an approximate statement and you show a 

 deficit, and I want to get from the actual books what, they show ? A. 

 I cannot give you what you desire to have. 



Q. Taking the S. L. Lamb, the first vessel, she caught so many bar- 

 rels and realized so much, can you tell me from your books whether you 

 lost or made money during that trip? A. No j that trip is part of the 

 year's work. 



Q. Is not each trip made up by itself, and does it not enable you to 

 pay the men off? A. Yes, and one-half of the results goes to the credit 

 of the vessel's account. 



Q. And all the charges made against the trip would be charged? A. 

 The direct charges for provisions, &c, would be, but not the general 

 charges against the vessel. The charges for insurance, sails, rigging, 

 and anchors, &c., would all be placed in the general bills. 



By Sir Alexander Gait : 



Q. How do you get at the expenses connected with the 119 trips? A. 

 I will explain ; you first make up a paper showing the number of trips 

 made in these 19 years, and the number of barrels taken in British 

 waters. 



By Mr. Davies : 



Q. How do you distinguish between them? A. These are mackerel 

 brought out from the bay of St. Lawrence via Canso. 



Q. You give the number of barrels and the value realized from them: 

 and then you have a column showing the average trip, what do you mean 

 by that? A. I mean, say 16 trips and so many barrels for the 16 trips, and 

 the average would be 1-16 for each trip. If these 16 trips realized 3,000 

 barrels, 1-16 of 3,000 would be the average. Each year would have an 

 average for itself. 



Q. This gives the average quantity taken each trip, and the average 



