2332 AWARD OF THE FISHERY COMMISSION. 



Q. What ? Twenty-eight miles from shore ? A. It is only twenty- 

 eight miles across from East Point to Magdalen Islands. 



Q. You were not at East Point. You were at St. Peter's. A. You 

 can't tell. I have been up and down. 



Q. Well, you say, then, you have been at East Point f A. I have been 

 there often. 



Q. Have you ever seen the fleet around East Point ? A. I have seen 

 vessels in there. 



Q. That is not what I asked you. Have you ever seen the fleet there ? 

 A. Yes ; I have seen the fleet. 



Q. How many would you see ? A. Probably fifteen or twenty. 



Q. You have never seen them withiu three miles there ? A. Not 

 fishing I never did. 



Q. Have you seen them at all within three miles ? A. 1 have seen 

 them sailing within three miles. 



Q. Fifteen or twenty ? A. Yes. 



Q. Were they not fishing ? A. I could not say they were fishing. 



Q. Could you say they were not fishing ? A. Yes. 



Q. How could you say that ? A. They were sailing. They don't fish 

 when they are sailing. 



Q. Have you never seen them within three miles unless they are sail- 

 ing ? A. I have seen them at anchor within three miles. 



Q. What were they doing there then ? A. They were making lee ; it 

 was blowing too hard. 



Q. You don't know whether they were fishing then or not ? A. I never 

 saw them. 



Q. They go there for shelter, to that dangerous place ? A. There is 

 no danger there. They have a way to get out of that part of the bay ; 

 but in the bend they haven't. 



Q. Did you ever catch fish in Bay Chaleurs ? A. I did. 



Q. In what vessel ? A. Well, what do you call Bay Chaleurs ? 



Q. Don't you know f As a master- mariner, don't you know where Bay 

 Chaleurs is ? A. Well, I have fished across from the Magdalens. 



Q. But don't you know what Bay Chaleurs is ? A. Yes. 



Q. Well, why do you ask me ! A. Well, I call it right across from 

 Magdalens to Bay Chaleurs. Wherever we fish down there we call it 

 Bay Chaleurs. 



Q. You call it Bay Chaleurs 1 A. Yes ; [ call it Bay Chaleurs fishing. 



Q. It has a good reputation for fishing, has it, the Bay Chaleurs ; 

 has it, among American fishermen ? A. Well, that is what I always 

 hear them call it. 



Q. Have you ever been in the Bay Chaleurs proper fishing? A. Yes, 

 I have. 



Q. In what vessel ? A. I have been in the Charles P. Thomson. 



Q. Any other ? A. I might be in the James Bliss too. 



Q. Might you in any other vessel ? A. No. 



Q. Will you swear you were not in Bay Chaleurs in the Moonlight or 

 Easterwood? A. I might be there working up and down. I don't 

 know if ever I fished in there. 



Q. You have no recollection of ever fishing in the Bay Chaleurs ? A. 

 I don't know if ever I fished there. 



Q. In the other two vessels yon did ; where did you fish ? A. We tried 

 once at North Cape ; that is, in the bay and well to the westward of it. 



Q. Point out on the map where North Cape is. A. Well, I know 

 where it is. 



Q. I want you to show it on the map. A. (Witness points to North 



