2374 AWARD OF THE FISHERY COMMISSION. 



I have been up and down the island, and I have seen boats fishing four 

 miles off and three miles off and outside, I think. 



Q. When was this? A. I do not know that it was in any particular 

 year, but it was when I was up the island around Malpeque and came 

 down by East Point. 



Q. Do you know the distance from the shore at which mackerel are 

 now taken off Prince Edward Island ? A. No. I have not been in the 

 bay since 1874. 



Q. Did your experience, then, inform you, or had you heard it from 

 others, that the habits of the mackerel had somewhat changed, and 

 that they were now found and taken closer inshore than they used to 

 be? A. No; I do not know as this was the case. 



Q.' You never heard of it ? A. I do not think that I did. 



Q. But you stated just .now that you had heard something about it ? 

 A. I do not recollect saving so. 



Q. You said that the boats were now taking fish inshore ? A. I have 

 heard of that since I came down here. 



Q. But never previously? A. No ; I do not know as I ever did. 



Q. You said you have lost a good deal of money on some of these 

 trips ? A. No, not a great deal ; but I have not made much. 



Q. But you have made money ? A. I have a house, and that is all. 



Q. Were you a member of a firm ? A. No. 



Q. You were merely a fisherman ? A. Yes. 



Q. For what firm did you go out ? A. I have fished for a number of 

 firms; the last one was that of Eowe & Jordan. 



Q. Are you aware whether these firms made money or not ? A. Well, 

 I could not say ; I suppose that some do, and that some do not on the 

 fish after they are landed. I do not think that the vessels make much 

 money, but I do not know. We used to get an average stock. 



Q. What would be a fair charter a mouth for a vessel of 75 tons? A. 

 I could not tell you. 



Q. Did you never charter one ? A. No ; I never heard of a vessel 

 having been chartered at any place for ten or twelve years ; but this 

 used to be done. 



Q. Do you not know what a fair ordinary charter for a vessel of that 

 size is? A. It would be about $200 I suppose for a large vessel. 



Q. But for a vessel of 75 tons ? A. A vessel of small size for the fish- 

 ing season of perhaps nine months, would cost, I suppose, about $100 

 a month ; but I do not know for certain what would be the charge. I 

 have not known any vessels to be chartered for a good many years. 



Q. Did you go to McGuire's or Hartley's when you went to Cape Bre- 

 ton in 1874 ? A. I went to Hartley's. 



Q. You are quite sure about that? A. We always fitted out there ; 

 we never fitted out at any other place. 



Q. Had you during the seasons you were fishing, or say in 1874, any 

 British fishermen with you Cape Breton men, Nova Scotians, or Prince 

 Edward Islanders, besides Americans ? A. I do not know that we had 

 any in 1874. 



Q. Do you remember whether you had or not? A.. No ; I do not re- 

 member all the names of the crew. 



Q. In 1863, when Campion was with you, had you any other colonial 

 fishermen with you? A. We had one man who belonged to the island. 



Q. Who was he ? A. He lived at Gloucester then, and his name was 

 Frank Chivari, think. 



Q. It was not Simon Chivari ? A. He went by the name of Frank. 



Q. Do you remember any other colonial fishermen who were with you 





