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was there before. I could uot tell you whether I have been pretty near 

 around, or half, or a quarter of the way. 



Q. Did you fish inshore as well as outside? A. Well, it is useless to 

 ask me any questions about that. As the laud is low there I would not 

 pass niy judgment anything about this trip at all. 



Q. About the distance? A. No. 



Q. This is your first experience of the bay mackerel-fishing ? A. Yes. 



Q. It will probably be the last? A. I think very likely it will. I 

 don't think I made enough to entice me to go again. 



By Mr. Foster: 

 Q. Your last knowledge of Grand Marian was the year 1803? A. Yes. 



By Mr. Davies : 



Q. Off what shores did you fish this year in the Esperanza? Did you 

 know the shores ? A. I didn't know the shores ; I was a stranger there. 



Q. You heard from those ou board, though, what place? A. They 

 said they were fishing off the west shore, and there was one place they 

 called North Cape, Prince Edward Island. 



Q. East Point, Prince Edward Island, did you hear that? A. Yes; I 

 was there. We came down and up by it. 



Q. Up and down the shore of the island? A. We did not stop any- 

 where. 



Q. You stopped at both ends? A. Yes; we fished there. 



Q. The fleet was fishing, I understand, chiefly about East Point and 

 North Cape ? A. Yes. 



Q. Many of them ? A. I should judge around North Cape there were 

 fifteen or sixteen sail, perhaps twenty. I did uot count them. At East 

 Point I should think something like fifty sail when we were there. 



Q. I suppose you didn't make anv inquiries what they caught ? A. 

 No. 



Q. Did you go down the Cape Breton shore? A. Only to Port Hood. 



Q. Did you catch any there ? A. I think fifteen barrels, off shore. 



Q. What other place ? A. I have mentioned all, except Georgetown. 



Q. Well, that is part of Prince Edward Island. Whatever fish you 

 did catch were caught in one or other of those places ? You could not 

 tell how far off? A. No ; you need not ask me any questions about that. 



Q. You could see the land ? A. Yes. 



Q. You saw the cows walking on it I A. I don't think I don't know 

 that I ever saw one walking there; I don't know that they keep any 

 cattle. 



Q. Did you go ashore? A. Once, in Georgetown. I saw a horse 

 there once; that is the only kind of cattle I saw. 



Q. It is a pretty good country for horses? A. I don't know, I only 

 saw one. 



Q. Speaking seriously, do you mean to say you can't give an opinion 

 as to the distance you were from the shore off East_Poiut ? A. I could 

 not. 



Q. The captain of the Esperanza said they were fitted out for 200 

 barrels, not 240. A. Well, I might have made a mistake; I might have 

 misunderstood. 



Q. What was the size of the vessel ? A. 43 or 44 tons. 



Q. She would not like to carry more than 200 barrels. How many of 

 a crew have you got ? A. Ten men. 



Q. Just one question or two now about Grand Manan. You went in 

 1848, and fished for seven years on board American vessels? A. Yes. 



