2452 AWARD OF THE FISHERY COMMISSION. 



Q. You didn't fish there in American vessels after the Reciprocity 

 Treaty came in ? It was before that that the complaint was made ? A. 

 I think it was. I was nothing but a boy at the time. 



Q. You paid very little attention to where you were fishing ? A. I 

 know we were not fishing inside of that line, because there was nothing 

 there to catch. 



Q. There are plenty of fish to be caught within ? A. No. 



Q. The boat-fishing when you left there was chiefly inside ? Am I not 

 correct in saying that the boats catch most of their fish inside ? A. Yes. 

 Sometimes they go out, but very seldom. 



Q. I want to just understand correctly. Nearly all the fish caught 

 by the boats are caught inside f A. Yes. 



Q. Then the fish are there to be caught ? A. Yes. 



Q. Very well ; and did you as a boy, fishing, pay particular attention 

 to whether you were in or out ? A. We knew we were out, because I 

 know all the grounds we were on. We fished on them year after year. 



Q. You were asked why you didn't go in and said you were prohibited ; 

 you said because the people didn't allow you. A. I said because a man- 

 of-war didn't allow us. 



Mr. DANA. He gave two reasons. 



Mr. DAVIES. I should say one would be quite sufficient. 



Mr. DANA. He could dodge a man-of-war if it was worth while. 



By Mr. Davies : 



Q. Would you dodge a man-of-war to get inside ? A. I don't know 

 what I might do. I never had the chance to try. 



Q. The temptation was not thrown in your way. Now, I want to ask 

 you, do you know anything about the fishing carried on there in winter 

 by American vessels ! A. I do not. 



Q. Then, for aught you know, they may fish inside altogether in win- 

 ter ! A. They do not. 



Q. Did I understand you correctly that you understood nothing about 

 it T You said you knew nothing about the fishing in there in winter. 

 A. No, nor summer either. 



Q. 1 asked if you had ever fished aboard an American vessel in 

 winter about Grand Manan. A. No ; never. 



Q. At any time of your life ? A. No. 



Q. Did you ever see any fishing there in winter f A. No. 



Q. So you absolutely know nothing of it at all? A. No; I absolutely 

 know 



Q. Did I understand that you absolutely knew nothing of it at all ? 

 A. 1 don't understand your question. I wish you would put it plainer. 



Q. I understand that you never fished on board a vessel in the winter 

 about Grand Manan ? A. I have said. 



Q. And also that you never saw an American vessel fishing in winter 

 anywhere about the island ? A. Well, I could not go over the island all 

 at once. 1 never heard about it. 



Q. Then am I correct in saying you know nothing about it ? A. I 

 know nothing about it further than that 



Q. I mean within or outside of three miles? A. I never saw any 

 American vessel around there in the winter that I can recollect. 



Q. Then I am correct in saying you know nothing about whether they 

 do or not ? A. I never saw 'them. Uow can I tell ! 



Q. Do you know Walter B. McLaughlin ? A. I have seen him. 



Q. How many years is it^ince you left Grand Manan altogether? A. 

 Twelve years, I think, or thirteen. I left in 18G5. 



