2494 AWARD OF THE FISHERY COMMISSION. 



Q. At what distance would this lie from the main land ? A. About 

 8 or 10 miles. 



Q. Aud there are good fishing-grounds along these shoal spots? A. 

 Yes. I have never had any experience in fishing on them, but I have 

 remarked the vessels fishing there very often. 



Q. In your experience, have you seen American vessels actually en- 

 gaged in fishing within what you are reasonably certain was 3 miles from 

 the coast, and, if so, to what extent has this been the case ? A. I have r 

 I believe, seen them fishing in close to, if not closer than, 3 miles from 

 the shore sometimes, but not very often. I have seen them fishing far- 

 ther out ofteuer than close in, in my opinion ; but I could not judge ex- 

 actly as to the distance by looking at them. 



Q. You spoke of their fishing from 5 to 8 miles off shore ? A. Yes. 



Q. And sometimes you have seen them at what seemed to be nearer 

 than 3 miles from the coast ? A. Yes. 



Q. But mainly you have seen them fishing outside of the 3 mile 

 limit? A. Yes. 



Q. Where are the mackerel found in schools inside or outside of the 

 3-mile limit ? A. I have often remarked, when sailing up the bay, large 

 schools away off shore, and again I have seen them school very close to 

 the shore. 



Q. Are the schools inshore generally broken up ? A. Yes ; they gen- 

 erally do break up and scatter round the shore. 



Q. When did you give the fishing business up ? A. About five years 

 ago I found that it did not pay, and so I bought a little larger vessel 

 and went into the coasting business. 



Q. Did you devote yourself industriously to the fishing business? 

 A. Yes ; as far as my means allowed me to do so I did. 



Q. I suppose that you had not enough capital for large vessels and 

 great outfits ? A. Xo. 



Q. Why do your people not do as the Americans do, and build large, 

 fine vessels, and go off and fish outside, and catch good large catches 

 and get large fish ? A. I cannot tell you, unless they are afraid of the 

 money. 



Q. Or they have not got it ? A. Yes. 



Q. In your case, I suppose that you did not have it ? A. Xo. 



Q. In all this time, from 1863 to 1872, that you were fishing there, 

 were you part owner of all the vessels in which you were ? A. Yes. 



Q. Were you sole owner ? A. No; there were three of us brothers. 



Q. What are your brothers' names ? A. John and Patrick. 



Q. Where do they live ? A. At Sheet Harbor. 



Q. And you three owned the vessels ? A. Yes. 



Q. Did you all go fishing? A. Yes, and together. 



Q. Under the Dominion flag ? A. Yes. 



Q. You had a right to go inside and fish as much as you liked? A. 



Yes. 



Q. While you were cod-fishing did you occasionally take a catch of 

 mackerel ? A. We.used to take them for bait. 



Q. Where ? A. Sometimes where we were fishing, and sometimes 

 closer in shore. 



Q. You caught them where you were fishing for cod ? A. Yes. 



Q. Did you catch the greater or better part of these fish there or close 

 in ? A. We never could make a great catch of mackerel. We did not 

 have the means to do so. We were not fitted up with bait mills ; and 

 our catch of mackerel was very small, sometimes it consisted of a barrel, 

 a half a barrel, or somewhere along there. 



