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personal knowledge, but from information received from other persons ? 

 A. I do not say so. 



Q. Do you not state that now? A. I lived in Grand Manan until I 

 was 22 years of age. 



Q. I confine you to the last six years. During the whole of that time 

 you did not visit the island scarcely once a year, five times during six 

 years. From personal observation you have admitted you cannot speak 

 of the island during those years. A. I told you I had not seen any fish 

 caught there. 



Q. All the information you have been pleased to give the Commission 

 in regard to the fishing round Grand Manan, and the quantity taken 

 by American and British subjects, has been based on hearsay ? A. It 

 has been based on my own actual knowledge, and from conversation 

 with Grand Manan people and others, and men engaged in the business. 



Q. Is not that hearsay? A. You may call it what you have a mind 

 to ; I don't purpose to call it hearsay. 



Q. I understand you to swear that information you got from other 

 persons, depending on others entirely for the truth of those statements, 

 you decline to call hearsay? A. I say you can call it hearsay. I come 

 here and swear to the best of my judgment in regard to this matter, 

 from my personal knowledge of Grand Manan, having been a long time 

 resident there, having fished there, and having been through the whole 

 thing; from conversation with men there engaged in the business, and 

 having had business transactions with them, and from receiving ac- 

 counts and getting nay pay from weirs I own there, which is pretty good 

 authority, in my opinion. 



Q. I wish to get from you exactly what the authority is ; that is hear- 

 say, is it not ? Do you say you own weirs there $ A. I own shares in 

 weirs there. 



Q. Who are the other owners with you, Grand Manan people or East- 

 port people ? A. With the exception of my sister, they are Grand Ma- 

 nan people. My sister owns a share with me; she lives in Eastport. 



Q. She has not been naturalized? A. No; I did not know it was re- 

 quired of women. 



Q. Do you include the herring you take in your weirs in the Ameri- 

 can catch ? A. No ; I pay the government a tax for the weirs, and I 

 suppose they must claim the fishing. 



Q. Do you include that portion of the fish out of the weirs which comes 

 to your share as being part of the American catch! A. I include it as 

 "being part of the Dominion catch, it being caught at Grand Manan. 



Q. Though 1 it is taken by an American citizen simply doing business 

 in our waters, and you call that British catch ? A. I do ; it was caught 

 in British waters, and I pay $10 a year to the Dominion Government on 

 each weir. 



Q. Therefore it4s British catch ? A. I presume so; it is caught in 

 British waters and cured on British soil. 



Q. Then if Americans come in and catch fish very nearly the same 

 place in their vessels, which would be taken out of British waters, you 

 would call that British catch ? A. British vessels cannot smoke her- 

 ring on board their vessels. 



Q. Do I understand that if American vessels come in and catch her- 

 ring or any other fish within three miles of the shore, in British waters, 

 that you call it British catch I A. No ; if an American vessel catches fish 

 in British waters within three miles of the shore, I call it American catch, 

 but caught in British waters. 



Q. You have been pleased to put the value of all the catch round 



