2524 AWARD OF THE FISHILY COMMISSION. 



Q. You won't admit you make mistakes ! A. I have given you my 

 opinion to the best of my judgment, and you have got it. 



Q. Although you swear that all men are liable to make mistakes, you 

 swear you are not ! A. I don't understand it in that way. 



Q. You have stated there were Dominion men who own shares in 

 American vessels running to Eastport and elsewhere. Will you tell me 

 who they are ? A. I did not say so. 



Q. You said American vessels owned by Dominion men ! A. I did, 

 and can give you their names. 



Q. Give them ! A. There is the Sea Spray, which is chartered this 

 year by a man named Powers, of Deer Isle, Maine, I think, and he is sein- 

 ing mackerel on the coast of Maine. Then there is the schooner Look- 

 out. 



Q. They are American vessels ! A. Yes. 



Q. What do you mean by chartered ! There is a difference between 

 owning and chartering ! A. A great deal of difference. 



Q. I asked you who the Dominion owners were ! A. The Dominion 

 owners are the Holmeses. 



Q. Where do they live 1 ? A. In Deer Island some of them, and some 

 at Beaver Harbor. There is the Charlotte Augusta, the captain of 

 which is William Holmes. She is owned by the family of Holmes who 

 live at Fairhaven ; and the Lookout is owned by the same family. 



Q. Are they British subjects ? A. Yes. 



Q. Living at Deer Island ? A. Yes. 



Q. And not naturalized in the United States ! A. No, they are not 

 naturalized. 



Q. They are owned by them, and American registered ? A. No, I did 

 not say that. 



Q. The vessels are run in another name ; in whose name do these ves- 

 sels run ? A. I could not tell you. 



Q. How then do you know the vessels have Dominion owners ? 

 A. I know it by hearing the parties themselves say so, and by talking 

 with some of the principal owners of the vessels. 



Q. Did you never inquire in whose name they were running! A. I 

 never went to the custom-house to see in whose name they were regis- 

 tered. 



Q. You never asked ! A. No. 



Q. Are they American registered ? A. They are American vessels 

 running under American registry. 



Q. Of course, you are aware that no British subject can own an Ameri- 

 can vessel, or any share in an American vessel ! A. Yes. 



Q. Bound Deer Island and Campobello I think the fish are caught 

 by boat fishermen ! A. Not altogether. 



Q. There is a great quantity caught by them ! A. Deer Island is get- 

 ting a great many small vessels. 



Q. Fishing round their own island ? A. They don't fish there. There 

 is very little fishing round Deer Island. 



Q. I am speaking of the fishing round Deer Island or West Isles ? A. 

 The fishing at Deer Island and West Isles for frozen herring is followed 

 in boats inshore, but the fishing is mostly done in vessels. There are a 

 few boats there ; some 22 feef boats. 



Q. Round Deer Island, West Isles, and Campobello the fishing is 

 in British waters, and within three miles of the laud! A. Yes, and at 

 Grand Mauan. Hake is caught out toward the Wolves outside of three 

 miles. 



Q. You know Quoddy River ! A. Yes. 



