2560 AWARD OF THE FISHERY COMMISSION. 



Q. I dare say ; but here are vessels going in and rendering themselves 

 liable to seizure, being, in fact, actually seized there ; and you say they 

 went to those places on pure speculation, without any previous knowl- 

 edge ? A. Well, there was not any fish there, because it proved there 

 were not any there. 



Q. You heard of one halibut ? A. Well, I might have. 



Q. W T ho was the lucky fellow ? A. I did not say there was one. I 

 might have heard of somebody catching a halibut. I can't say about 

 that. 



Q. Now, when you were prosecuting that branch of the fisheries, where 

 were you accustomed to go ? A. To the George's Bank mostly : some 

 on Brown's Bank that is off Cape Sable and on the Seal Island ground. 



Q. There is a difference between Cape Sable and Sable Island ? A. 

 Yes. 



Q. I want to ask you whether you fished off Cape Sable or the island ? 

 A. Cape Sable. 



Q. I wish you would go to the map, because there is a little discrep- 

 ancy between your statement and that of a gentleman here before. 



(Witness goes with counsel to map.) 



Q. (Pointing to Sable Island.) Was it near Sable Island ? A. No ; 

 I never fished there. I fished at Seal Island and Tusket Light. 



Q. Was it toward that direction ? A. I fished all the way around. 



Q. Do you know a harbor there called Lobster Harbor ! A. I don't. 

 I never was in there much. 



Q, Perhaps you never tried in close around Cape Sable Island at 

 all ? A. Never within eight or ten miles. Probably I have tried in 

 eight or ten miles. 



Q. You never tried in within three miles there for halibut ? A. No. 



Q. Of course, then, you don't know about it. We have some evi- 

 dence that there have been fish caught in there, and as you have never 

 tried you won't, of course, contradict it ! A. No ; I will not. 



Q. You don't know anything about it. Now, you submitted a state- 

 ment, and I understand it to be not the result of an actual voyage, but 

 just a statement made up out of your own head as to what you think 

 would be the probable result of a voyage f A. I have had a good 

 many years' experience, and I take that as a supposed voyage. It is 

 not an actual voyage. 



Q. It is a mere fancy statement. I don't mean in any improper sense. 

 It is not made as the result of any actual voyage. And you show a 

 loss on the catch of 400 barrels pf some $325 to the charterer. Now, I 

 remember when you were giving evidence and Mr. Foster asked you 

 what number of barrels should be taken to make a fair and paying 

 voyage, you happened to say the very same number which you show 

 by this account to have resulted in a loss. A. I said 400 or 500 barrels. 



Q. You said 400 barrels, if I remember ? A. I didn't say 400 barrels, 

 did I? 



Q. I understood you so ? A. I think I said 400 or 500. 



Q. I think you began by saying 400. Then you said generally from 

 400 to 500! A. Well, between these two figures would be the number 

 of barrels that would make a paying voyage. 



Q. Now, if $325 were lost upon 400 barrels caught, how do you 

 reconcile the two statements ! A. It is made up by the charter of the 

 vessel. My answer was on the vessel that was not chartered, but run 

 by the owners; and the result there shows that the owner did make 

 some $220. 



Q. You mean to say the owner would make, whereas the charterer 



