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would lose ? A. As a practical man of business I consider all these 

 charges as charges that would be fair and just in making up the account. 

 I make out that he would be a loser. 



Q. That is if he chartered ! A. The party who owned the vessel would 

 make money out of the charter. 



Q. He would make the charter, whatever it was ; he would make the 

 value of the charter, less the wear and tear of the vessel, less interest 

 and taxes. But do I understand you to say that the owner of a vessel 

 sending her to the bay would make a fair profit on 400 or 500 barrels, 

 whereas the charterer would lose ? Then there must be some particular 

 branch in which the owner makes a profit, which the charterer has no 

 advantage of I A. In that case I have given, if the owner ran the ves- 

 sel himself on that voyage, and got 400 barrels, he would not be much, 

 of a loser. If he got an advance on that, and was the charterer himself, 

 he would have something left out of the voyage. 



Q. Must not he have the same expenses as a charterer would have? 

 A. Well, if he had an increased number of barrels he would make. 



Q. But with the same number of barrels and these expenses he would 

 not make anything? A. He would get the interest on his money ; he 

 would earn that. The interest and taxes have gone into that account. 



Q. Well, yon prove conclusively by this account that a man who 

 catches 400 barrels loses $325. A. .If he is a charterer. 



Q. And if he is the owner he makes j now, where does the difference 

 lie ? A. If he is the owner he does not make. 



Q. I will see, now, if I can solve that difficulty, although I am only a 

 tyro in the business. You give certain charges here that are ma.de 

 against the voyage ; 40 barrels of pogie bait, $240, and 10 barrels of 

 clams, $80. That would have to be paid by the men who fitted her 

 out. Expenses for barrels and packing 400, at $1.75, $700. Now, is 

 there not a very fair profit made out of that branch of the business ? A. 

 That is not in connection with the vessel ; that is with the business. 



Q. There is a handsome profit ? A. There is a profit. 



Q. Could that business exist if the vessel didn't go on the voyage to 

 bring the business ? A. Well, it is part of the business. 



Q. Is it not a necessary incident which could not occur without the 

 vessel going ? A. Of course you have to have the vessel to get the 

 business. 



Q. Then I understand you to agree that there is a handsome profit 

 made upon that? And you have provisions, fuel, &c., for 16 men, four 

 mouths, at 40 cents per day each, $700. It struck me you put that very 

 high. What provisions do you supply them ? A. I cannot give you ail 

 the items. 



Q. How many barrels of flour, for instance ! A. Well, that is not my 

 department, but we put aboard about 14 barrels of flour, 12 or 14. 



Q. You were so many years in the gulf that you must have known 

 how many barrels you were accustomed to take. You can give the 

 Commission very near the exact quantity ? A. I can give you the 

 quantity of large articles like flour and beef, but I could not give you 

 the little articles. 



Q. It struck me as being very high. A. I would say in regard to 

 that, that that is based on actual figures taken on our vessels year after 

 year. We have made up accounts to see what it costs per'man. .We 

 judge 40 cents is about what it costs a day for board. 



Q. That forty cents a day is made up and based upon the prices which 

 you charge the vessel for these goods ? A. Yes. 



Q. Is there not a handsome profit made out of these ? A. We con- 

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