AWARD OF THE FISHERY COMMISSION. 25 T3 



Q. How many barrels did she get? A. 220 barrels. 



Q. She is on her second trip now ? A. She is out ou the second trip 

 at Canso. 



Q. What has she taken on the second trip ? A.. I have heard she was 

 out in a gale of wind, and they had not seen any fish sinoa the gale. 

 The other vessel has pot 60 barrels. 



Q. The A. J. Franklin, which was seized on 15th October, 1870, for 

 fishing within three miles of the shore, and condemned, was one of your 

 vessels f A. She was not seized while I was a member of the firm. 



No. 57. 



OILMAN S. WILLIAMS, of Gloucester, Mass., police officer, and form- 

 erly fisherman and master mariner, called on behalf of the Government 

 of the United States, sworn and examined. 



By Mr. Dana : 



Question. You belong to Gloucester and have lived there? Answer. 

 I have lived there 21 or 22 years. 



Q. Toil went into the gulf, as a fisherman, in 1859, I believe ? A. I 

 did. 



Q. How many years in succession were you in the gulf as a fisher- 

 man ? A. I was ten years in succession in the gulf. 



Q. From 1859 to 1869 ? A. Yes. 



Q. During that time, excepting about the last three years, you were 

 under the Reciprocity Treaty ? sA. Yes. 



Q. And you had the right to go where you pleased? A. Yes. 



Q. Did you make a trial of the inshore fishery ? A. I have tried 

 inshore. 



Q. During those 6 or 7 years, when you had the whole gulf free to 

 you, how did you find the inshore fishing as compared with the outside 

 fishing; that is the fishing within 3 miles of the shore and the fishing 

 outside, and on the Banks and elsewhere? A. I caught but very few 

 inshore. 



Q. How many did you you catch altogether in 1859 ? A. About 240 

 barrels; I cannot say positively as to the quantity in that case. 



Q. Were any of those caught inside of three miles from shore? A. 

 There might have been a few, a very few. 



Q. Of the 240 barrels, how many might have been caught inside ? A. 

 Perhaps 15 barrels. 



Q. Take the whole time, from 1859 to 1869, when you gave up the 

 regular gulf fishing ; what proportion of your fish was caught within 

 the three-mile line ? A. I should say less than one-tenth. 



Q. In 1866, 1 think, the Reciprocity Treaty expired. Did you then 

 take out a license? A. I did. 



Q. Do you remember whether you took out a license in 1867? A. I 

 think not. 



Q. That is your impression ? A. That is my impression. I am not 

 certain either way. 



Q. You were in the bay in 1868 and 1869. Had you licenses those 

 two years ? A. No. 



Q. 1869, the last year you feel sure about it for that .year? A. I 

 had none then. 



Q. In 1870 where did you fish ? A. I was on the Banks, cod-fishing. 



Q. In 1871 were you on the Banks ? A. Yes. 



Q. 1872 were you cod-fishing again ? A. Yes. 



