2578 AWARD OF THE FISHERY COMMISSION. 



Q. Have you in yonr own mind any doubt as to whether you fished 

 within three miles of Cape Breton shore? A. I don't recollect. 



Q. Have you any doubt ? I don't ask you whether you recollect. A. 

 I have forgotten whether we caught one mackerel within three miles of 

 Cape Breton shore that year or not. 



Q. You are serious, that you don't know whether you did or did not ? 

 A. Yes. I don't know whether we might have caught a few or might 

 not, within three miles of Cape Breton shore. 



THURSDAY, October 11, 1877. 



The Conference met. 



Cross-examination of Gilman S. Williams, of Gloucester. Mass., called 

 on behalf of the Government of the United States, resumed. 



By Mr. Thomson : 



Question. When we adjourned yesterday we were speaking of the 

 mackerel caught inside of three miles of the shore at Cape Breton F 

 suppose that was off Margaree, was it ? Answer. As I understood it, 

 it referred to Margaree or thereabouts. 



Q. That was in 1858. In 1859 you went into the bay and got 240 bar- 

 rels where did you fish then ? A. At Bank Orphan and Bank Brad- 

 ley and Pigeon Hill grounds, the first trip. 



Q. Did you make two trips in 1859? A. Yes. 



Q. .Did you get 240 barrels each trip ? A. No. 



Q. The aggregate of the two trips was 240 barrels? A. In 1859 yes. 



Q. Was it your own vessel ? A. I was master of the vessel and part 

 owner. 



Q. Where did you get that memorandum ? A. Oat of the books of 

 the firm which owned 'the vessels. 



Q. You don't recollect yourself? A. Xot so well; not so accurately 

 as to give the figures. 



Q. if you had not gone to the books, could you have recollected at all 

 as far back as 1859, 18 years ago ? A. Yes, but not so accurately. 



Q. You could not recollect the number of barrels taken? A. Xot so 

 nearly correct. 



Q. Could you have recollected where you fished ? A. Yes. 



Q. You went through the Gut of Canso? A. Yes. 



Q. Did you then go straight to Orphan Bank? A. We went to the 

 Magdalen Islands first. 



Q. Without fishing anywhere f A. Without fishing anywhere. 



Q. Did you take a large proportion at Magdalen Islands ? A. We 

 did not get any the first trip at the Magdalen Islands. 



Q. About what time did you enter the gulf? A. Early in July; I 

 could not tell the exact date. 



Q. Then you went where! A. As soon as we came through the gut 

 we went direct to the Magdalen Islands, where we stayed a very short 

 time, and went on Bank Bradley. 



Q. Did you get many there ? A. Yes ; nearly the whole. 



Q. Where did you get the remainder ? A. On what I call Pigeon 

 Hill ground. 



Q, That is off Gaspe" ? A. Xo. 



Q. In Bay Chaleurs? A. It is farther to the southward than Gasp,'-. , 



Q. That would be Bay Chaleurs? A. Xo. 



Q, That is about southward ? A. Xo. 



