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to the shore. We then crossed to the southern side to Griffin's Cove and 

 picked up about twenty or thirty barrels there. We then crossed to 

 Gaspe", then to Bay Chaleurs, picking up more or less every day. We 

 were line-fishing then. We gave up the boats after leaving Seven Is- 

 lands. We went to North Cape, Prince Edward Island, to finish our trip. 

 We made only one trip and went home." Then he was asked : " What 

 was your catch ?" and answered, " We got 280 barrels; that was in 1860." 

 Then he was asked : " Did you take them outside the limits ? " and an- 

 swered, "We did some." Then to the question, " What proportion ?" 

 he answered, " Sixty or seventy barrels at the outside." Now you have 

 been requested to examine into this matter. Have you any personal 

 knowledge of the Daniel McPhee ? A. I owned a portion of her in I860. 



Q. You may state from your own knowledge what was the truth of 

 that matter ? A. To the best of my knowledge Joseph Campbell was 

 not in the schooner. She landed 17 barrels of mackerel, and was gone 

 about three months. 



Q. That you state of your own knowledge ! A. Yes. 



Q. You mean that was the whole trip \ A. That is what she packed 

 out. 



Q. Have you looked to see whether this man was in the vessel ? A. 

 I have. 



Q. There was no such man ? A. No, sir; I can give you the names 

 of the crew if you want them. 



Q. No matter. Now, the same witness is asked, and answers as fol- 

 lows: 



Q. In 1861, what did you do? A. I was in the R. H. Oakes, Captain Xasen. 



Q. What time did you come down ? A. The 15th of July. 



Q. Was that early f A. It is not early. It is a fair time. We did not find them bite 

 where we first fished, and we went up to Bay Chaleurs. We got about 120 barrels 

 there about 90 barrels inside and the rest outside. 



Q. That would be 30 barrels outside ? A. Yes, abont that. We fished off Miscou 

 and got abont 20 or 30 barrels off shore. We then came down the shore to Escu- 

 miuac, and picked up more or less every day along the shore. 



Q. Close in or off? A. Close in. 



(J. Where did you get your next catch ? A. We got 5 or 6 barrels along the shore to 

 the leeward of the island (Prince Edward Island). There we got 70 or 80 barrels in 

 one day, close in. 



Q. Within the limits? A. Between two and three miles. 



Q. What was the total result ? A. One hundred and thirty barrels. 



(,>. What did you do with them ? A. We took them back to Gloucester. 



Q. Did you make only one trip ? A. I made only one trip in her. I left her at Glou- 

 cester. 



'Q. What were fish bringing then T A. They were low. In 1861 mackerel brought 

 from *12 to 13 and $14 a barrel. That was the ye?r the war broke out. 



Q. Now, can you tell us about the E. H. Oakes and this man Camp- 

 bell? A. The E. H. Oakes in 1861 fitted about the last of June and 

 returned October 26. The vessel packed out 225| barrels of mackerel, 

 from which Campbell's share was $39.01. 



Q. He was on board that time? A. Yes; the number ones of this 

 trip sold for $7 ; number twos, $5 y L ; and the number threes at $3. 



Q. Then the same witness is asked, and answers as follows : 



<i'. Did you fish any more that year ? A. I went home and fished on the home shore ; 

 that is, the American shore, in the fall of 1862, in the Daniel McPhee. 

 Q. What did you catch there ? A. We caught 40 barrels. 



Q. Now, what can you tell us about fishing on the American shore in 

 the Daniel McPhee, in the fall of 1862 ? A. In 1862 the schooner Dan- 

 iel McPhee packed out on the fall trip, from October 4 to November 8, 

 135 barrels of mackerel. 

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