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shore. We then crossed to the southern side, to Griffin's Cove, and picked up about 

 twenty or thirty barrels there. We then crossed to Gaspe", then to Bay Chaleurs, pick- 

 ing up more or less every day. We were line-fishing then. We gave up the boats 

 after leaving Seven Islands. We went to North Cape, Prince Edward Island, to finish 

 our trip. We made only one trip, and went home. 



Q. "What light will the book for 1861 throw on the matter ? A. It 

 merely gives the names of the crew and what they caught. The vessel 

 was not built in 1859. 



Q. One of the witnesses stated that fishermen sometimes enter them- 

 selves under different names. la that a faft within your knowledge f 

 A. They sometimes do. 



Q. It is possible Campbell may have entered himself under a different 

 name in that vessel ? A. That is true. 



Q. Is this the return of the trips into the bay, or of the trips on your 

 shore ? A. The trips to the bay ; on the other side is a return of shore 

 trips. 



Q. Are those Mr. Steele's books ? A. No ; my own. 



Q. How are you able to state at this distance of time which refers to 

 bay and which to shore trips, with the trips not divided ? A. By the 

 time of year. 



Q. The shore trips will be after the vessels return in October ? A. 

 Yes. 



Q. It seems by this that the vessel took 80 barrels on the shore. 

 That is just what Campbell said : 



Q. Only 40 barrels. That was in 1861 that you got 80 barrels there in the fall trip, 

 and in 1862 you got 40 barrels ? A. Yes. 



That is right, within six barrels ? A. In the fall of 1861 was he in 

 the Daniel McPhee ? Is his name among the crew for that shore-trip ? 



Q. His name does not appear here (in the book). If he was there he 

 must have been under another name ? A. I don't think he was in her 

 in the fall trip. Does he say he was with Captain Hunter ? 



Mr. DAVIES. The preceding questions were the following : 



Q. Did you fish any more that year ? A. I went home and fished on the home-shore, 

 that is, the American shore, in the fall of 1862, in the Daniel McPhee. 

 Q. What did you catch there ? A. We caught 40 barrels. 



By Sir Alexander Gait : 



Q. Do you know Campbell ? A. I don't remember him : I would know 

 him if I saw him. 



By Mr. Davies : 



Q. Do you know whether the Daniel McPhee made more than one 

 shore-trip in the fall of 1862 ? A. In 1862, from July 27 to October 4, 

 she was bay-fishing ; from October 4 to November 8, shore-fishing. 



Q. Do your vessels, fishing on your shore, make short or long trips ? 

 A. Sometimes short and sometimes long. 



Q. If the vessel made two trips, his statement may be perfectly con- 

 sistent with yours ? A. She was only employed in 1862 one month and 

 four days on the shore. 



Q. He says about three weeks. Is it not possible she may have made 

 two trips ? A. I don't know. 



Q. Is Captain McPhee at Gloucester ? A. He is dead. 



Q. What is your impression with regard to the statements made by 

 these two men, corroborating each other substantially, and made at dif- 

 ferent times? A. My impression is that they are mistaken altogether 

 in regard to their catch and where they fished. 



