AWARD OF THE FISHERY COMMISSION. 2633 



Q. When was it prepared ? A. It was prepared before I left home. 



Q. What was the tonnage of the Dauiel McPhee? A. About CO 

 tons, I think. 



(}. You prepared this statement yourself? A. Yes. 



Q. From your own books ? A. Yes. 



Q. Will you read the column of catches in which the 17 barrels ap- 

 peared f A. 54, 230|, 263, 41, 17, 86J, 244, 207, 275, 323, 310, 32G, 

 385, 57. They are shore and gulf mixed. 



Q. Will jon take out the shore ? A. 57, 86 . 



Q. The catches on your shore appear to be small compared with the 

 others ? A. The 86 barrels were caught in five days off our shores. 



Q. But the small catches appear to have been taken on y.our shore ; 

 the 300-barrel catches you have read were taken in the bay ? A. Not 

 all of them. 



Q. I asked you to read those which were caught on your shores ; you 

 did read them; were not the 300-barrel catches taken in the bay ? A. 

 Yes ; those were caught in the gulf. 



Q. Don't you think it is more probable that, as your trip-book is lost, 

 which would be conclusive evidence on that point, you are mistaken as 

 to 17 barrels having been caught in the gulf on that trip, because Camp- 

 bell's name does not appear on the list of the men who were in the ves- 

 sel when 17 barrels were taken ? A. No; I am positive he was not in 

 the vessel in the gulf that trip. 



Q. Could he have deliberately coined the statement that he was in 

 the gulf and took that number of barrels ? His name does not appear 

 in the list of the crew when the 17 barrels were taken ? A. It does' not 

 appear in the list. 



Q. You explained toward the close of your examination the right of 

 fishermen to take their fish and sell them elsewhere; when a vessel re- 

 turns to Gloucester, does not the merchant, when the fish are landed, 

 pack them? A. Y'es. 



Q. That is a matter with which the fishermen, as fishermen, have 

 nothing to do ? A. Nothing to do with packing out. 



Q. Therefore, if he were allowed to take his fish, he would have to 

 pay the merchant the packing charges ? A. Yes. 



Q. They would amount to $2 a barrel ? A. That was 'the cost in cer- 

 tain years ; it is now $1.75. 

 , Q. So that practically it is never done ? A. No. 



Q. It is also well understood that the merchant will have a lieu on 

 the fish caught tor any advances made the fishermen ? A. Yes. 



Q. The practical working of the system is that the fisherman does 

 not take his fish elsewhere ? A. I don't know of any case where they 

 did. 



Q. One of the witnesses from Gloucester stated here that it was the 

 custom for the ship-merchants to agree among themselves as to the price 

 they will allow the fishermen for the fish when they pack out. Is 

 that correct ? A. Not to my knowledge. 



Q. How do the merchants arrange ? Does one pay $10, another $11, 

 and another $13, and are different prices paid to fishermen for their fish 

 at the same port? A. For mackerel f 



Q. Yes. A. No ; because trips are hardly ever sold at the same prices 

 three days running. 



Q. I am speaking with regard to the price the merchant allows the 

 fishermen ; whether the merchants agree among themselves to allow so 

 much ? A. The crew get the price at which the whole trip is sold. 



