2648 AWARD OF THE FISHERY COMMISSION. 



Q. I suppose not. A. From my general knowledge of the business 

 of Gloucester I am not satisfied with that result. 



Q. 1 find from your statements that after the Washington Treaty was 



* entered into, Mr. Steele withdrew his vessels from your shore fishery 

 and concentrated all his efforts on the bay ; -am I correct in making 

 that statement! A. In 1870 and 1871 he did not send any vessels to 

 the bay. 



Q. But in 1872 he commenced sending them to the bay ? A. Yes. 

 Q. And he has sent them there ever since ? A. Yes. 



* Q. And he has since sent none to fish on your shore! A. Xo. 



Q. Since 1872 he has sent none to fish on your shore, but has sent all 

 his vessels to the bay ? A. Yes. 



Q. What was the average price of the mackerel caught in the Gulf of 

 St. Lawrence realized by Mr. Steele between 1858 and 1865 \ In the 

 first place, what was the average catch per vessel made by his vessels in 

 the gulf between 1858 and 1805 ? A. It was 338 packed barrels for these 

 years inclusive, and the mackerel sold for $11.10 per barrel- 



Q. What was it between 1865 and 1872? A. Two hundred and 

 eighty barrels, which sold for $14.40, exclusive of the packing. 



Q. And what was it between 1872 and 1876 ! A. Two hundred and 

 twenty-three barrels, which sold for $10.01. 



Q. That makes an average catch per vessel of 304 packed barrels, 

 which realized $12 a barrel ? A. Yes. 



Q. What is the average catch of his shore vessels between 1858 and 

 1865 I A. .It was 191 barrels. 



Q. As against 338 barrels for the vessels which he sent to the bay. 

 What is the average price which he realized for these mackerel ? A. 

 Five dollars and seventy cents per barrel. His vessels fished on our 

 shore for four years between those dates. 



Q. As against $11 received for his bay mackerel. Now take the whole 

 period during which his vessels fished on the American shore. A. The 

 average time they were there employed was two months and twenty 

 days each ; their average catch was 239 barrels, and the average price 

 of their mackerel 87.10 a barrel. 



Q. As against $12 per barrel which he received for his bay mackerel. 

 What was the share per month of the vessels which were engaged in 

 fishing in the bay? A. Three hundred aud seventy- two dollars and 

 sixty-six cents. 



Q. What was such share for the vessels which fished on the American 

 shore? A. Three hundred and ten dollars aud sixty cents. 



Q. What was the share for each man of the crews which fished in 

 the bay ? A. Twenty-four dollars and eighty-four cents. 



Q. And what was such share of the crews which fished on the Ameri- 

 can shore? A. Twenty dollars and seventy cents ; but that is not a 

 fair average, because Steele's vessels were not engaged in fishing as a 

 rule on the American shore. 



Q. Am I not taking the average for corresponding years in the bay 

 and on your shore? A. Yes. 



Q. Does it not appear that Mr. Steele must have been losing money 

 on your shore, and that after 1872 he transferred his fishiug operations 

 wholly to the Gulf of St. Lawrence, where he has entirely jjept his ves- 

 sels since; is that a fact or not ? A. It is, because Mr. Steele's skippers 

 are more acquainted with gulf fishing than with fishing on our shore. 

 This has always been the case with them; they were always more un- 

 customed to the bay branch of the fishery than to fishing on our shore. 



Q. They knew where to fish there? A. Yes. 



