2660 AWARD OF THE FISHERY COMMISSION. 



Q. Didn't these vessels go into any port after leaving Gloucester, and 

 get fresh bait ? A. No. 



Q. You are certain of that ? A. Yes. 



Q. From what f A. From the trip-book. 



Q. Can you rely always on the statements in the trip-book ? A. I 

 can, because the bait is always charged to stock. 



Q. You can always rely on the statements made in the trip-book ? 

 A. Yes. 



Q. Now, turn to the trip-book of the Knight Templar in 1876. Where 

 does it appear that the vessel went in for fresh bait ? A. She went into 

 Bliss Island. 



Q. Anywhere else ? A. No, sir. 



Q. Does it not say anywhere else ? A. She went in for ice to St. 

 Pierre. 



Q. Didn't she get bait ! A. Yes. 



Q. Who was the captain of that vessel ? A. Captain Gray, I think. 



Q. Well, he swears that upon that trip he was into Hermitage Bay 

 and Bliss Island ? A. Where is Hermitage Bay ! 



Mr. Foster remarks that Captain Gray didn't say that he went into 

 Nova Scotia anywhere for bait, and that " Bliss Island " may be a mis- 

 print for Bois Island in Newfoundland. 



Mr. WHITEWAY. I only refer to it to show that the trip-book cannot 

 be implicitly depended upon. 



Q. Do you consider that it is a fair criterion as regards the advan- 

 tages either of salt bait or of fresh bait to take one trip in 1873 and one 

 trip in 1875, one being a salt-bait trip and the other a fresh-bait trip, 

 and draw conclusions as to the advantages of each respectively. Do 

 you consider it fair or not to take this as a basis ? A. Let me explain 

 in my answer. When I drew off this 



Q. I ask you a question. You can explain afterwards. (Question 

 repeated.) A. I didn't draw any conclusions from that. 



Q. I am asking the question whether you consider it fair upon such 

 premises to draw a conclusion ? A. No j I don't. I didn't draw a con- 

 clusion on those two trips. 



Q. Didn't you intend to show to the Commission by those two state- 

 ments the advantages of salt bait and fresh ? A. I did. With the same 

 catch of fish. They were the only two vessels I could get. I didn't want 

 to take two trips in vessels that were wide apart. 



By Mr. Foster : 



Q. Wide apart from what ! A. Wide apart in the catch. I might 

 have taken extreme ones, but I wanted to give a fair average between 

 the two. 



By Mr. Whiteway : 



Q. Could not you find a fresh-bait one that stocked as much as the 

 salt-bait ones you gave ! A. No. 



Q. Do you mean to say there haven't been many over and above the 

 one you have given ? A. I am not aware of it. 



Q. You see Captain Malloy stocked with fresh bait 3,700, and h 

 didn't consider that a very large catch. Now, can you tell me wheth^ 

 the Bank fishing for 1875 was a poor fishery, below the average, or 1 

 large fishery, above the average ? A. I could not tell you. 



Q. Have you never heard it was below the average ; that is, year bt 

 fore last, the Bank fishery ? A. No ; I have never heard it was below th 

 average. 



Q. Do you know what the Bank fishing was in 1873, whether it wa, 





