AWARD OF THE FISHERY COMMISSION. 2661 



above or below the average ? A. I don't know. I form my opinion from 

 wbat I saw on Steele's books. 



Q. Now, look at the trip of the Pharsalia, at which you were looking 

 just now. A. I have it before me. 



Q. You see there is an item headed " damaged fish, at one cent a 

 pound." You see that ? A. Yes. 



Q. Will you find in the trip-book, which you presented here, another 

 case of a Grand Bank fishing-vessel fishing with fresh bait, where there has 

 been any damaged fish for these three years, 1874, 1875, and 1876 ? A. 

 The schooner Knight Templar. (Reads items of outfit, among others 

 an item showing that she was on a salt-bait trip). 



Q. Then there is damaged fish on a salt-bait trip ? A. Yes. 



Q. Now find another case on a fresh-bait trip. (Witness refers to 

 book.) 



Q. I would like, if you have any doubt, if you would take time. A. 

 That is a very small amount of bait to catch 226 barrels. 



Q. I don't think you will find any. You see fish may be damaged on 

 board a salt-bait vessel fishing on the Banks as well as on a fresh-bait 

 trip. A. I see it. 



Q. Now, will you look, please, at the Pharsalia, on the next trip, after 

 she landed the cargo of which you put in an account? A. That was in 

 1873, was it not? 



Q. No, 1875. A. She foundered at sea. 



Q. Was she an old vessel ? A. No. 



Q. What age was she ? A. The abstract will tell exactly. I can'fc 

 tell (after referring to abstract). She was brand new. She was lost on 

 her second trip. 



Q. You stated in your examination-in-chief, in relation to the dam- 

 age to the Pharsalia's fish, as follows : 



Q. Before yon leave that I want to ask you in reference to an item there" damaged 

 codfish." A. 18,159 pounds of damaged cod, at one cent, $135.10. 



Q. Why should there be this damaged codfish ? What is the cause of it ? A. Well, 

 I have my own opinion of the cause. 



Q. What do you believe to be the cause ? A. I believe the cause is going in so much 

 for fresh bait. 



Q. How should that damage the codfish ? A. My opinion is that the salters salted 

 it with the idea that they would not go in so much, and didn't put so much salt on it. 

 When she went into port so much, going into the warm water it heated. 



Now, you find there are damaged fish, as well with salt-bait fishing, as 

 with fresh ? A. I do find it. 



Q. And it. is upon that one case of damaged fish with fresh bait that 

 you arrive at this conclusion? A. I could not account for it in any 

 other way. 



Q. But it is this one ease that you drew this conclusion from? A. Yes. 



Q. And you would lead the Commission to believe, then, that fish was 

 liable to be damaged, because of vessels going in for fresh bait, because 

 of this one vessel on this one cruise? A. No, I don't now, I have seen 

 that other case. 



Q. You withdraw what you said before? A. I withdraw as far as 

 that is concerned. 



Q. Have you ever been on the Banks fishing? A. I haven't. 



Q. Then, you would not presume to put your opinion in contradiction 

 to the opinion of experienced men who had been there six or seven years, 

 if they testified contrary to you ? A. No, sir ; of course not. 



