2674 AWARD OF THE FISHERY COMMISSION. 



sion ? A. $50 for a seiner, not for a gulf fisherman. Mackerel lines 

 were an expense, and 1 did not take any account of them in the seiner. 



Q. If you put half a dozen adze on board, will they not be any good 

 at the end of the season ? A. Yes, but they would not be worth so 

 much, and they would not all come back. 



Q. This statement is made up to the best of your judgment ? A. Yes, 

 I think you will find the facts warrant me in saying that it is far below 

 the cost of those articles during seventeen years. 



Q. It is fourteen years since you have been engaged in the business ? 

 A. I know that the prices since I left the business have been a great 

 deal higher. 



Q. You cannot pretend to claim for your evidence on this point the 

 same value as that of a practical man in business? A. Of course not. 



Q You would not have known how to make up the statement except 

 for Mr. Wonson ? A. I would, except the prices. 



Q. You could not get the prices without Mr. Wonsou ? A. I could not 

 get the prices to day. I had the prices for 1860, 1861, and 1862 in my 

 mind. 



Q. Those prices would not give you the average for seventeen 

 jears? A. It would give the commencement. 



Q. What was the price of buckets in 1872? A. 25 cents apiece. 



Q. You put them down in the statement at $3 a dozen? A. Yes. 



Q. This other statement you have made up is also different from the 

 one you had put in? A r Yes. 



Q. Why did you make it different? A. Because that is the actual 

 amount. 



Q. The expenditure on what vessel does it represent ? A. It repre- 

 sents any vessel. 



Q. It is not an actual representation of any given vessel ? A. Of 

 course not. 



Q. It is a supposititious statement? A. You may call it so. 



Q. I want to know whether you submit that to the Commission as a 

 statement of actual expenditure incurred on a given vessel, or as a sup- 

 posititious statement? A. Not for any given vessel, but I submit it as 

 being, if anything, below the actual expenditure for any vessel running 

 out of Gloucester. 



Q. What you suppose to be below ? A. I think it is. 



Q. You don't pretend to submit it as having been copied out of the 

 accounts of any vessel ? A. No ; it cannot be done. 



Q. It was not taken from any given vessel ? A. No. 



Q. Nor from any practical man's accounts? A. No. 



Q. It was made up out of your own head ? A. Yes, the same as any 

 one estimating would make it up. 



Q. The vessel's expense account which you submitted, you explained 

 you know nothing about, but that it was handed in by you from Mr. 

 Procter ? A. That is all. I know nothing about it. 



Q. Mr. Procter was examined here ? A. Yes. 



By Mr. Whiteway: 



Q. Turn to page 375 of your evidence, and you will find the following 

 under the head of Kecapitulation : 



Trawl gear $1,023 25 



Vessel's expense account 1,823 05, 



Provisions, &c 1, 426 03 



General charges - 1> 135 50 



Total cost of running 5, 408 63 



