AWARD OF THE FISHERY COMMISSION. 2699 



Q. That there could not be two million dollars' worth caught instead 

 of one million without you knowing it in your business ! A. Yes. 



Q. If it is so, that would make a very good business for the merchants 

 in Eastport, if they deal entirely with Grand M a nan ? A. Yes ; Campo- 

 bello, Deer Island, and Grand Manan. 



Q. What is the condition of things ! Is it such as to indicate very 

 large profits to the fishermen ? A. No. 



Q. What is the reason ! A. There is not much money in the fishery. 



Q. To the Eastport people, you mean T A. Yes ; and I have suffered 

 a loss by it ; that is, in the fitting-out part, I mean. 



Q. What do you say to this : 



Q. Along the coast of Maine, say from Eastport westward, there lives a large popula- 

 tiou who fash entirely in our waters ? A. Yes. They come from Lubec, Perry, Pem- 

 broke, and Eastport, and along by Cutler and westward of Lubec, and still 'farther 

 away than that. 



Q. And from Machias T A. I think so. 



Q. They all come and fish in our waters? A. Yes. 



Q. And not in their own waters f A. I do not know of any fishing within the three- 

 mile limit in their waters. 



Q. Within three miles of their coast there is no fishing of which you are aware ? 

 A. Yes. 



Q. And this is a population that lives by fishing alone? A. From Eastport and 

 along there they follow fishing for a livelihood, beyond question. 



Q. So that a large body of American fishermen gain their whole livelihood in our 

 waters ? A. Yes ; those that fish there do. 



A. That is not so. 



Q. State to the Commission what you know of the habits of those 

 people. A. It speaks of the people being engaged in fishing only. 

 They are engaged in farming mostly; that is really their business, but 

 they carry on both fishing and farming. There are only one or two or 

 three or four vessels owned at Lubec, one or two at Machias, and one at 

 Jonesport, that come down there. 



Q. I find this, also, in Mr. McLean's testimony, speaking about St. 

 Andrew's : 



Q. It is sometimes called the Inner Bay of Passamaqnoddy ? A. I suppose that it is. 



Q. Was not that at one time a great herring-ground f A. It was once a splendid 

 fishing-ground. 



Q. Since the negotiation of the Washington Treaty, and since the Americans have 

 fished there, what has become of it ? A. It has been destroyed within the last two 

 years. It is now no good whatever. 



Q. How did the Americans destroy it ? A. By bringing too many vessels there, and 

 "by setting too many nets. The water is quite rough there at times, the wind blowing 

 heavily in from the northwest. Northwest winds prevail in winter, and three years 

 1 ago we had a very hard winter. 



Do you know anything of the destruction of fish in St. Andrew's Bay ? 

 A. Xo. 



Q. You know something about the fishing there! A. Yes; I know 

 there are as many herring taken there as there ever were. A year ago 

 last spring the catch was unusually large. 



Q. He says there is no fishing within three miles of the American 

 shore ; do you know of any fishing done not only by Americans but by 

 English fishermen on the American shore ? A. The best fishing in St. 

 Andrew's Bay is on the American side, from Dog Island, on Eastport, 

 to Loweriu's Cove, in Perry. There are other places of course, on the 

 American shore. There are herring taken at Cross Island, near Machias, 

 ,aud Libby Island, at the mouth of Machias Kiver. 



Q. Do you know any fishing-vessels engaged fishing within the three 

 miles of the American shore ? A. All vessels from the other side fish 

 n St. Andrew's Bay on the American side. 



