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two or three different firms from Gloucester bought herring in Eastport 

 last year. One I packed out, and another party was there buying them 

 packed up in barrels. 



Q. Do I understand that you wish the Commissioners to believe that 

 the Gloucester fleet comes down for the purpose of getting herring 

 round Grand Manan, goes down to Eastport and ships herring there f 

 A. Yes. These parties are from Gloucester. 



Q. Does the New Brunswick fishing-fleet, the herring-fleet, take their 

 cargoes into Eastport before they go to Gloucester ? A. They go down 

 on the north side and buy herring and take them to Gloucester. 



Q. It comes to this. You come here for the purpose of contradicting 

 Mr. McLaughliu as to what took place on the island of Grand Manan, 

 where you say you never were in your life. Is that true ? A. I did 

 not come here to contradict Mr. McLaughlin. 



Q. You have in fact contradicted Mr. McLaughlin ! A. I have told 

 what I know. 



Q. You put your opinion as to the facts respecting fishing round 

 Grand Manan though you have never been there in your life against 

 the opinion of Mr. McLaughlin, who has resided there all his life, and 

 swears to certain facts. You do the same with regard to the main land, 

 where you have never been, except once to St. George, and that ten 

 years ago? A. I consider I know as much about the fishing, buying 

 fish at Eastport which conies from there, as Mr. McLaughliu, who keeps 

 a light-house, knows about it. 



Q. Are you aware that it is part of Mr. McLaughlin's business to go 

 round to all the fishermen and ascertain exactly what the American 

 catch was ? A. I understand he is fishery-warden there. 



Q. Do I understand you to say you have as good a means of informa- 

 tion in regard to Grand Manau as Mr. McLaughlia ? A. I think I 

 have. 



Q. Do you swear you have as good means of information as Mr. 

 James McLean in regard to the mainland fishery, he living there and 

 doing business there? A. I think so. He is engaged therein buying 

 fish, and I am engaged at Eastport buying it. 



Q. Are you aware that he is engaged in fishing ? A. No ; he is a 

 merchant. 



Q. Do you swear he does not send out any fishing-vessels and small 

 boats ? A. He may send out some fishing-boats, but the principal part 

 of his business is that of a merchant. 



Q. If he swears that he sends out fishing-vessels and boats, do you 

 mean to say the statement is untrue? A. He may do that. 



Q. You undertake to put your opinion against his? A. Yes. 



Q. Though you never have been there at all ? A. Yes. 



Q. Mr. McLaughlin has said this : 



Q. Now about how many American vessels fish on the coast during the season ? A. 

 It would be hard to tell that ; it has never been my duty to count them. 



Q. They come in large numbers, and they generally outnumber ours? A. Yes; oar 

 people at Grand Manan fish but little iu vessels. 



You contradict that? A. I do. 



Q. You say they fish a great deal in vessels and very little iu boats? 

 A. I say very few American vessels come there to fish. 



Q. Do you contradict the statement that Grand Manan people fish 

 very little in vessels? A. They have a dozen or twenty vessels over, 

 there. 



Q. Do you contradict the statement or do you not T A. I don't know 

 wh it he calls small or large. 



