2764 AWARD OF THE FISHERY COMMISSION. 



Q. Then his estimate is that 25 per cent, of that amount would be 

 consumed on the island one-fourth of 892,000 ? A. I think he is there 

 very much astray. 



Q. His estimate is that one-fourth, which is $23,000, would be con- 

 sumed on the island ? A. I think he is very much out. 



Q. You don't think the people of the island eat 823,000 worth ? A. 

 Xot of mackerel. They eat very few mackerel ; they eat more largely 



of other fish. 

 



By Mr. Davies : 



Q. Some of the witnesses, who have been captains of American ves- 

 sels, have said they caught nearly three-fourths, some one-half, others 

 one-fifth and one-eighth of their fish within three miles of the shore in 

 the gulf. You spoke, in answer to Mr. Foster, about the 82 duty per 

 ton being so large they could not pay it to go inside. As a matter of 

 fact, at the time when they did not take out licenses, did they not poach 

 on the preserves and come in and run the risk ? A. Some vessels did, 

 some did not. 



Q. Because I find that for a vessel of 60 tons, at 82 per ton, the 

 amount would only be 8120, and 10 barrels of mackerel at 812 a barrel 

 would cover that. A. But if they were just making both ends meet, 

 8120 would turn the scale. 



Q. I have not found any witness who did not acknowledge he caught 

 some inside. A. I am speaking in general terms. They would take 

 that cost into account in making up the voyage for the vessel, and that 

 might very readily turn the scale. The owners might discuss the ques- 

 tion whether they would send the vessel to the bay or on their own 

 shores, and when they put down 8120 that might determine the trip. 



Q. You don't know the proportion of the fleet that ran the risk ? A. 

 I have not any means of knowing. 



Q. I think I understand you to say that catching mackerel by sein- 

 ing injures the fishing? A. That is my opinion. Some other witness 

 would be able to give better evidence on that point. I can only say so 

 from hearsay. 



By Mr. Kellogg : 



Q. You have had experience in the fishing business in the Provinces 

 and also in Boston. It is said frequently that mackerel will bring only 

 a certain price in the American market, and that if they exceed a cer- 

 tain price the people resort to other kinds for food. Have you in your 

 experience discovered whether they were any other kinds of fish food 

 they resorted to, particularly when mackerel were a high price ; and if 

 so, what kinds of fish are they ? A. The lake fish of late years have 

 been taken in large quantities and have supplied the markets to some 

 extent. A large amount of territory is covered by them, and a great 

 many like them and give them the preference. 



Q. Any other kinds of sea fish ? A. They use largely fresh fish now. 

 For instance, frozen herring are taken in very large quantities from 

 Newfoundland and the Bay of Fundy. 



Q. What I want to know is this; if, when mackerel are at a certain 

 price, the people resort to other kinds of food that are cheaper! A. 

 Yes. 



Q. In regard to the market for fresh mackerel; when did that market 

 begin to expand, the fish going from the sea shore by the railways over 

 the country f A. It has been growing very rapidly for the last 12 or 15 

 years, say for the last 12 years. 



Q. Is it now growing or not ? A. I think it is growing. 



